Quote from: Simlasa;407952That said, I always thought it would be fun to play/run a campaign in WFRP where the PCs start as bottom run members in a chaos cult... aspiring to climb the ladder to success.

Tome of Corruption would be a big help there.

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Quote from: Blackhand;407962At the end of the Storm of Chaos, the influence of the Ruinous Powers IS omnipresent.  That's 2522 I.C. + (i.e. WFRP 2e)

Yeah, I just ignore that crap... Even GW has backpedaled on it.
In the war-game it always felt against the fluff to have any chaos 'armies' except for Khorne... Maybe small band of Nurgle cultists... But Slaanesh cultists would be too busy with drunken orgies... Tzeench not interested in static military organization or violence just for the sake of violence.
Even a huge Skaven army, out in the open... In the sunshine... Seems ridiculous.
Expunging the nonsense from the war-game seems like a good idea.

From what I've read so far, I agree: Warhammer seems far more the "lurking horror" style RPG as opposed to "hulk smash" rpg. Not that you couldn't do either, of course. For some reason I envision huge stretches of the Empire as being exactly like Darkshire in Warcraft.

Quote from: Werekoala;408109For some reason I envision huge stretches of the Empire as being exactly like Darkshire in Warcraft.

I was thinking the same thing just this morning as I was reading one of the Matthias Thulmann stories... Darkshire was one of my favorite areas in WOW. It was pretty scary the first time I wandered across the river from Kansasland (place with farms, pumpkins and mechanical scarecrows?) and into that huge cemetery and its catacombs.

Quote from: Simlasa;408105Yeah, I just ignore that crap... Even GW has backpedaled on it.

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Expunging the nonsense from the war-game seems like a good idea.

How has GW backpedaled on it?  I have the new edition of Warhammer right here in front of me and almost all the background section is how the Storm of Chaos changed the Empire and the new era of total destruction has dawned.

It's the end of the freaking world man.  For real.  It's done, they are coming for us RIGHT NOW.

Canon is for wusses.

Quote from: RPGPundit;408074Tome of Corruption would be a big help there.

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Is 'Tome' a good sourcebook? Is it overly locked into the 'Storm of Chaos' nonsense? I've got the original 'Realm of Chaos' books... which at this point are probably cheaper to track down than 'Tome of Corruption'.

Quote from: One Horse Town;408115Canon is for wusses.

YES! YES! A thousand times YES!

Quote from: One Horse Town;408115Canon is for wusses.

Totally. There's no such thing as "canon" as far as my RPG games are concerned.

Reading through the mechanics again this evening, it occurs to me how easily you could use these rules for a straight-up Conan game. Very much a "spiritual successor" to Howard as well as Lovecraft, seems to me.


Also, am I a bad person since I sooo want to have an NPC witch-finder (general?) who is a direct ripoff of Colonel Landa from Inglorious Bastards?

Quote from: Werekoala;408136Also, am I a bad person since I sooo want to have an NPC witch-finder (general?) who is a direct ripoff of Colonel Landa from Inglorious Bastards?

Sounds awesomely nasty to me... poor little mutant girl hiding under the floorboards... Witch Finder Landa (as played by Vincent Price) ordering that pots of boiling water be poured between the cracks.
While I'm not a fan of the 'chaos behind every rock' brand of WFRP the paranoia and zealotry regarding witches and mutants... the evils of the mob and the witch hunters... is a big part of what I find interesting about the setting. Even if chaos is an impending threat people will be tearing each other apart out of fear long before the armies of Khorne come marching down the street...
Kinda reminds me of that Twilight Zone episode "The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street" UTube Link.

Quote from: Simlasa;408116Is 'Tome' a good sourcebook? Is it overly locked into the 'Storm of Chaos' nonsense?

Oh man, yes.

Back in Ye Olden Tymes I had the two old Chaos books, and honestly, I like the Tome of Corruption better. It's like they finally figured out what they want Chaos to be and how Chaos functions, so to speak. And there's a LOT of information in that book (rivaled only by Tome of Salvation, another fantastic book), more than just Chaos. They touch on all of Norsca, for starters, going into the various tribes and how they worship Chaos on a different level than most think (also: new Careers for Norse). You could run a straight up Norse campaign. Wouldn't that be a trip? Plundering, raiding, and causing mayhem, sailing the Sea of Claws on your longship, and playing to the elemental forces of "Chaos" (elemental as in part of the physical realm, not D&D elemental). There's also information of the Chaos Wastes and some of the strange crap you'll find there.

Then they go into the creatures of Chaos. Picture it as an exceptionally detailed expansion of the Old World Bestiary in this part, going so far as to present Beastmen and Marauders as playable. Lots of new monsters too. The chapter on Demons is pretty sweet!

And then there's the tons of magic - new spells. New magic items. New rituals. New Marks of Chaos and Chaos Manifestations. And the mutation tables rival the old ones, only without some of the sillier stuff (wacky is still there though). The book also has a chapter on Witch Hunters and Templar orders that hunt Chaos. Separate from the art and objects of Chaos are the cursed (but usually also beneficial to the wielder, to tempt them to use it) weapons and armor. I love that chapter.

And that's not everything. Yea. Tome of Corruption is worth it. So it Tome of Salvation. I'd go so far as to say that the game isn't complete without the three "Tome" books.

Shit, I sound like I was pitching a sale. Heh.

-=Grim=-


Lots of information of Chaos cults and ow they operate within the Empire and elsewhere. Also, specific named cults, which is nice.

Quote from: Simlasa;408116Is 'Tome' a good sourcebook? Is it overly locked into the 'Storm of Chaos' nonsense? I've got the original 'Realm of Chaos' books... which at this point are probably cheaper to track down than 'Tome of Corruption'.

Tome of Corruption is an INCREDIBLE sourcebook. And no, it has fuck all to do with the storm of chaos.  Its all about very detailed stuff on all of the Chaos gods, how they can fuck you up, what their respective servitors are like, chaos items, mutations, a guide to Norsca, and the chaos wastes in the north. Its fantastic. Easily to me the best WFRP sourcebook ever done, and please note that I'm not an "i like evil" stuff. I was quite concerned that it was going to be for powergamers who wanted to play "evil" badass PCs, but it turned out to be nothing of the sort.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;408347Tome of Corruption is an INCREDIBLE sourcebook.

$141 on Amazon, it BETTER be good.

$141!?! Whaaaaaat? I almost want to put mine in plastic. Heh. I don't think any RPG book is worth that much. Seriously. Not a single one. It's just an RPG book.

-=Grim=-

My Wilderlands of High Fantasy box set is worth something like $200-210.

On to WFRP
The Tome books and Realms of Sorcery are must haves.  Full stop.
The "monster manual" is excellent and a real fun read.
Career Compendium is invaluable as it collects every career in v2, and has expanded character gen tables.
Night's Dark Masters and Children of the Horned Rat as good if you plan on using vampires or Skaven in your games.  CotHR include rules for playing Skaven.
Old World Armory (if you ignore costs) and the setting books (Empire, Bretonnia, Dwarfs, etc) are non-essential, but nice to have.
The adventures are so-so, but try to grab any book (v1 or v2) that has Night at the Three Feathers.