Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;398634My impression is that, outside of a few people, there's not actually a lot of gaming experience there. The most valuable stuff I get from RPG.net is almost _never_ stuff like "I did this in this game and it worked", but rather "Let's all share cool ideas". Since I don't like the ideas most of those people have (too much pop culture, pastiche and JRPG influence), it makes the website very low value for me except for the PbP forum.

I have the same impression.  Lots of buying, reading and collecting.  Not so much actual play.

It's a product focused forum, not a play focused one.

It still has a lot of cool posters though.

Peregrin, my impression is that Luke's designs aren't that theory influenced.  He's part of the scene, but not of it.  I could be wrong though.

Burnign Empires was full of Vince & Ron cock sucking. Hook line and sinker, he swallowed it all and gurgled. It is Ron & Vince who declared Crane a persona non grata for crimes of going mainstream and actually offering tangible product for money. There's an infamous podcast out there...the horror.

Games Workshop for me.  They killed WFRP1, killed WFRP2 and tried to kill Dark Heresy.  For some reason they are vehemently anti-rpg.

The owners of the Conan IP for ixnaying Mongoose's plans for the Conan RPG (and for green-lighting that new Conan movie that's going to suck so hard the universe may implode.)

FFG - With one of the greatest art and graphics teams they can't be bothered to include useful maps in adventures.  Experimenting is ok, deciding to make WFRP3 bizarrely abstract and narrative in some areas for no reason other then to do it is not.

Lorraine Williams, and all of TSR post-Gary.  
Ron Edwards.
Whoever was responsible for FASA breaking up.
Whoever is responsible for Catalyst.  

Kevin Siembieda for being as batshit fucking loco as George Lucas, but unlike George actually still producing brilliant ideas, even if they are implemented poorly.

James Malihoweveryouspellitski for that smug, shit-eating smirk on his face all the time (his module was good though).

ENworld, RPG.net all the sites that moderate like hell and ban people who don't run with the circle-jerk.

Quote from: CRKrueger;398661ENworld, RPG.net all the sites that moderate like hell and ban people who don't run with the circle-jerk.

Yeah. That'd be right up there for me too.

Lorraine clearly is on the top of the list too.

Quote from: Abyssal Maw;398618Ron actually didn't call people braindead. That's hardly even an insult, really. Plenty of you here are probably already braindead, I'll just say that right now. I mean, it's an opinion.

No, what Ron said was that people had become brain damaged by years of exposure to the wrong games so that they were creatively stunted and could not appreciate the brilliance of forgie-ism.

The forgie paradigm (at the time) was based on this sort of "convert the primitive savages" kind of belief that people simply don't know know how bad they have it until they are saved, and the ones who refuse to be saved - that refuse to convert- (and convert means "never to go back to their old and wicked ways) are explained away as being beyond help. They tried to sanitize the term after the big controversy, but the meaning and context are important.

Is there any actual documentation of a conspiracy to "convert" the majority of gamers to forge-ism besides the soiled, crumpled napkins that Pundit feverishly jotted his manifesto down on in the wee hours of the morning?

Because honestly, the above scenario sounds like conservative talk radio to me.

Quote from: Seanchai;398600Probably gamers and fans for stepping on their own fun...

Indeed. The hobby doesn't need villains. Fans cause enough trouble on their own.

Quote from: Shazbot79;398676Is there any actual documentation of a conspiracy to "convert" the majority of gamers to forge-ism besides the soiled, crumpled napkins that Pundit feverishly jotted his manifesto down on in the wee hours of the morning?

It's mostly like, RPGnet Forge guy says something Forge-ish in a very smug way (basically a holier-than-thou type statement), and the knights of trad games come and pounce on him, and then other Forge (or Forge-loving) guys come out and pounce back, and it turns into a completely incomprehensible and unproductive discussion with people trying to sound smarter than the opposition and get the last word in.

The only time I've ever seen them try to force anyone into seeing their way is if you bothered to post on the Forge.  Otherwise it was mostly people assuring each-other they were right, patting each-other on the back, and discussing games.  Well, I mean there were arguments, but you're talking about a very small group of people.  Which is a little too closed-circle for my taste when it comes to testing out ideas, but, mreh, I just play games, I don't design them.

Quote from: SettBurnign Empires was full of Vince & Ron cock sucking. Hook line and sinker, he swallowed it all and gurgled. It is Ron & Vince who declared Crane a persona non grata for crimes of going mainstream and actually offering tangible product for money. There's an infamous podcast out there...the horror.

Any chance you remember the name of the podcast?  I'm kinda interested.

Old TSR for threatening to sue everyone in the game biz over copyright and constantly waving their dreaded legal department in everyone's face but never having the guts to sue people like jack chick or others who slandered D&D and claimed it was killing people.

Quote from: Cylonophile;398693Old TSR for threatening to sue everyone in the game biz over copyright and constantly waving their dreaded legal department in everyone's face but never having the guts to sue people like jack chick or others who slandered D&D and claimed it was killing people.

TSR = They Sue Regularly

Quote from: ggroy;398695TSR = They Sue Regularly

Or trademark symbol required.

Teah, they'd bully everyone in the gam biz, but let geraldo rivera claim that 3 kids murdered one kinds parents to inherit the money and it was all due to D&D, which is was more about drugs, and they don't sue him for slander. Or jack chick for violating their trademark with "dark dungeons"

Quote from: Settembrini;398659Burnign Empires was full of Vince & Ron cock sucking. Hook line and sinker, he swallowed it all and gurgled. It is Ron & Vince who declared Crane a persona non grata for crimes of going mainstream and actually offering tangible product for money. There's an infamous podcast out there...the horror.

So you didn't read nor played Burning Empires, Gotcha.

They can't sue Jack Chick for Freedom of Speech reasons, you dipstick. That, and they didn't really see it as a problem (which it isn't and wasn't - hell, it was free advertising).

Quote from: Werekoala;398706They can't sue Jack Chick for Freedom of Speech reasons, you dipstick.

In no country that I know of is freedom of speech absolute. There's the classic shouting-fire-in-a-crowded-theatre example, and of course slander. There are many limitations to expressions, and I wouldn't be surprised if Chick's crap fell within one of them.

People often forget about libel.

If there were a case, and if they could make it in court and make it stick, they would have.