Quote from: Seanchai;397404The more important question is: What are they going to sell you once they've bled this vein dry?

Good question.

One easy way is to recycle old out-of-print titles, such as their first AP "Rise of the Runelords" (RotRL).  For example on the fifth anniversary of RotRL in 2012, they could release a limited edition hardcover book which compiles all of the RotRL AP books updated to the Pathfinder rpg ruleset.  (ie. Similar to what was done with the "Shackled City" AP and hardcover book).

Another option is to leverage their reputation garnered from their Pathfinder work, and start releasing new rpg games (ie. science fiction, etc ...).

A third option is to cash out and sell the company while they're still on the upside, to somebody who has more cash than sense.  :rolleyes:

Or they could shift emphasis to Planet Stories, building up their non-gaming business so that when the lull for Pathfinder hits the company won't be so dependent upon TRPG sales.

Or we could just enjoy the fact they continue to produce some high quality stuff like Carrion Crown AP.

Quote from: Nightfall;397428Or we could just enjoy the fact they continue to produce some high quality stuff like Carrion Crown AP.

The blurb to the AP books sound like a homage to Ravenloft.

It's more than just a 'blurb" or a homage. They created this back when Paizo first started out. Tar Barphon is kind of their "big bad" much like Azarghan(sp), the Demon Prince of Apes and Savages is for their jungle setting. I honestly feel they are taking a good shot at a horror based campaign and working it from the ground up using things like haunts, more detailed options for creatures like liches and bodaks, along with others to make this feel as much a fantasy horror game as it is a Pathfinder Game.

Quote from: Lawbag;397403Thanks for doing my research for me. Xxx

Specifically what I meant by shit-sumping, were all the third-party products riding on the coat-tails of PF. The supplements are usually no different from all the lazy supplements which ruined 3.X editions, and from what I'm seeing here, its the same faces, reworking old rules and variants that you may have missed first time around.

Wonder how long the Pathfinder 3PP market will last, before it falters.

If there is a Pathfinder 3PP bubble and it ends up bursting, it probably won't affect Paizo much at all.  It may very well resemble a tree falling with nobody around to see or hear it.

The Serpent's Skull AP sounds like an Indiana Jones type adventure, in an African style type setting.

I'm not sure it's a bubble so much as Paizo is trying to keep itself as separate from reliance on other publishers to do adventures, extra classes and stuff, as much as build their world with the things they think works for it AND for the GMs and players.

Besides it's not like that the ONLY thing they do is Pathfinder RPG. Their GameMastery line works for ANY campaign, (fold out Maps, Item Cards, etc) and they clearly want to strengthen their publishing line with their Planet books.

Serpent Skull is kind of that with a mixture of a return of an older race versus the new races looking to cash in. Plus it's not like there's not other ways the PCs can go. I mean there's still Uraso and it's cultists and the undead boy king/god and his city state.

The entire Mwangia Expanse is all about exploration, as much as Varisia was/is, The River Kingdoms or even just places between existing nations.

Quote from: Nightfall;397434The entire Mwangia Expanse is all about exploration, as much as Varisia was/is, The River Kingdoms or even just places between existing nations.

I was using Golarion for my sandbox 4E D&D game last year.  It was largely exploration in Varisia, and a few other places (ie. Absalom, etc ...) which had some supplement books released at the time (early to mid 2009).

At the time, I was only really interested in the setting and region type books.  The monsters "revisited" books weren't really all the useful to me.

Ever since Pathfinder was released at Gencon 2009, there have been less and less supplement books which I found useful for my 4E game at the time.  At this point, the few supplement books on Paizo's 2010-2011 schedule which may still hold my interest are, the "Lost Cities of Golarion" and maybe "Rule of Fear" (ie. region setting books).  Otherwise most of the other books on the schedule don't appear to be that useful outside of Pathfinder.

Quote from: ggroy;397419One easy way is to recycle old out-of-print titles, such as their first AP "Rise of the Runelords" (RotRL).  For example on the fifth anniversary of RotRL in 2012, they could release a limited edition hardcover book which compiles all of the RotRL AP books updated to the Pathfinder rpg ruleset.  (ie. Similar to what was done with the "Shackled City" AP and hardcover book).

Another option is to leverage their reputation garnered from their Pathfinder work, and start releasing new rpg games (ie. science fiction, etc ...).

A third option is to cash out and sell the company while they're still on the upside, to somebody who has more cash than sense.  :rolleyes:

You missed one! You missed one: reboot.

They could redo APs, but that's how many months worth of products? Five? And how many folks would really buy a redone AP that they already own? Some, to be sure, but that's still just a fraction of Pathfinder's share of the market.

They could produce other games, but their current good fortune springs from targeting D&D players. Their market share would drop significantly if they stepped away from that, particularly to produce a non-fantasy game.

They could sell. But I think the first thing a new owner would do is reboot, too.

All things considered, I'm betting when the vein runs dry, they start making noise about how the Pathfinder system is dated and re-create it, taking a step farther away from 3.5...

Seanchai

Quote from: Seanchai;397486All things considered, I'm betting when the vein runs dry, they start making noise about how the Pathfinder system is dated and re-create it, taking a step farther away from 3.5...

Seanchai

Wonder how long until the vein runs dry.

Quote from: ggroy;397438Ever since Pathfinder was released at Gencon 2009, there have been less and less supplement books which I found useful for my 4E game at the time.  At this point, the few supplement books on Paizo's 2010-2011 schedule which may still hold my interest are, the "Lost Cities of Golarion" and maybe "Rule of Fear" (ie. region setting books).  Otherwise most of the other books on the schedule don't appear to be that useful outside of Pathfinder.

I'm liking Kingmaker. If you don't mind converting or creating some monsters, I think it'd work well with 4e.

Seanchai

Quote from: ggroy;397487Wonder how long until the vein runs dry.

I guess that depends on how quickly they're publishing books. There's only so much space in Golarion that they can cover - only so many races, areas, monsters, etc.. There are only so many rules tweaks they can make until they step farther away from 3.5. It seems to me that they're printing a lot of books. So, what, maybe a year? Year and a half?

Seanchai

Quote from: Seanchai;397489I'm liking Kingmaker. If you don't mind converting or creating some monsters, I think it'd work well with 4e.

I like Kingmaker too.  Though I don't think I'll ever play the AP from beginning to end.

I do pick up the Pathfinder AP books every month, largely to read like Dungeon Magazine.

Quote from: Seanchai;397490I guess that depends on how quickly they're publishing books. There's only so much space in Golarion that they can cover - only so many races, areas, monsters, etc.. There are only so many rules tweaks they can make until they step farther away from 3.5. It seems to me that they're printing a lot of books. So, what, maybe a year? Year and a half?

WotC spent 3+ years pumping out rather marginal books during the 3.5E era, after a year of hitting the "reset button" and cranking out the first several "Complete *" books.