Quote from: jeff37923;380013Get all butthurt much?

As soon as you're talking 4e with a critical mind, Mark's middle name becomes "butthurt".
Not that it's very original, mind you, but there it is.

So 4e D&D was written five hundred years ago on the Planet Zeist?

I can believe that.

-Frank

Quote from: jeff37923;380013Get all butthurt much?

Quote from: Benoist;380016As soon as you're talking 4e with a critical mind, Mark's middle name becomes "butthurt".
Not that it's very original, mind you, but there it is.

You guys saw me applauding his troll as a sign I was butthurt?

Truly we live in different worlds of perception.

Quality arguments aside, don't kid yourself. 4e isn't selling as well as 3e was at it's top but 20+ books in, it's outselling almost everything else.
 
Amazon's bestseller info is about as good as any on rpgs (though not great): http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/16211/ref=pd_ts_b_nav
 
You can see that Pathfinder has hit a homerun. It's newer which gives it an edge but to have the 1st and 4th spots is impressive. I don't think I've ever seen a non-WOTC product at the top the few times I looked.
 
Other than Pathfinder and 4e, what is there? In the teens, you get the last Star Wars book, used 3e books, and Mouseguard in 21st as the best book that is not WOTC or a D&D version. Given the number of products, 4e probably still sells considerably more than Pathfinder; and that's not counting their online income, which I have no idea how many people it has.

Quote from: Mistwell;380038Truly we live in different worlds of perception.

You sure can say that.

Quote from: Benoist;380044You sure can say that.

Bah, I'd still happily game with either of you.

But I'd make Jeff pay for the snacks.

Quote from: Mistwell;380046Bah, I'd still happily game with either of you.

But I'd make Jeff pay for the snacks.

Yeah. Jeff's gotta pay for the snacks, I agree.

Quote from: Mistwell;380038You guys saw me applauding his troll as a sign I was butthurt?
 

Mistwell came from a place where a well crafted trolling was applauded and admired.

Quote from: Nicephorus;380048Mistwell came from a place where a well crafted trolling was applauded and admired.

It's like admiring artistic graffiti.

Quote from: Mistwell;380046Bah, I'd still happily game with either of you.

But I'd make Jeff pay for the snacks.

Quote from: Benoist;380047Yeah. Jeff's gotta pay for the snacks, I agree.

Fuck. I go away from the computer to fix myself lunch and look what happens...

Quote from: jeff37923;380051Fuck. I go away from the computer to fix myself lunch and look what happens...

Since you weren't there, we took a vote, and we democratically decided you were going to volunteer for it.

From a business perspective, WOTC appear to have no future plan for the game other than bringing out the odd hardback WorldBook, and a single adventure to support it. It would appear their aim is to bring out as many iterations of the DMG and PH as possible as well as the sequels.

It is sad to see their creative output virtually eliminated.

Quote from: Doom;380006I'm not convinced D&D is dead, however. Consider Highlander 2, so horrific that they simply ignored it when it was time to make Highlander 3. It's quite possible the same thing will happen for D&D.

I hope this isn't a valid parallel, in as more as it continued to go downhill. Well OK...Highlander 3 (The Sorceror) went back to tolerable, and Endgame was OK if you'd followed the series...but Highlander 5: The Source was perhaps actually worse than Highlander2. (It didn't even have good fight scenes since the bad guy was filmed at super-speed).

Well, the problem of 'the source' was simple reality. It was filmed what, 10 years after the series ended, using the same actors.

Actors that were playing immortal characters. It's tough as heck not to look a bit older after 10 years, and the extensive camera tricks necessary to pull it off (heckuva job with the lead, fwiw, guy looked YOUNGER sometimes) made it difficult for the movie not to be murky as heck.

It still was vastly superior to Highlander 2.

Well, lack of plot aside I thought H 2 was actually interesting/watchable whereas H5 was more dull.
Highlander 2 actually has quite a few scenes that have cool factor, its just that they don't assemble into a coherent plot (And the acting was execrable). Or rather there's 2 plots going on side by side, the alien scientist that created the Shield being hunted by his people + the highlander plot. And has horrible continuity issues like Ramirez and Connor being beamed to Earth at the same time, or Connor being called Connor rather than by his alias Nash. Or the way they off-handedly killed off the romantic lead in the first movie, or Ramirez being resurrected randomly, or ...

OK you got me, Highlander 2 was worse.


Edit: also, is it ironic we're having a Highlander discussion in a thread titled Endgame, same as highlander 4?..