Quote from: Shazbot79;353989The "persecution complex" to which I was referring is aimed at the numerous posters I've seen on this site who accuse communities like RPGNET and ENworld of having biased, one-sided moderation of their forums...to me this reeks of sour grapes mecause the majority opinion of WotC on these boards is seemingly the minority opinion on the aforementioned sites.

How would anyone know, if the moderation is one sided?  If you can be bothered to go back over the ENworld criticism threads, you'll see that a lot of people have witnessed the deletion of threads and comments critical of publishers, especially WotC.

If negative commentary is deleted, of course the majority opinion will seem positive, and of course posters whose opinions are forbidden will move to other sites.  That doesn't make the "refugees" irrational.

The majority at ENworld is favourable to Hasbro.  There's no doubt of that.  The question is what the balance would be if critical posts and posters weren't deleted or suspended.

Quote from: Shazbot79The "persecution complex" to which I was referring is aimed at the numerous posters I've seen on this site who accuse communities like RPGNET and ENworld of having biased, one-sided moderation of their forums...to me this reeks of sour grapes mecause the majority opinion of WotC on these boards is seemingly the minority opinion on the aforementioned sites.

That's assuming "the numerous posters" which you refer to are disgruntled ex or present members of those sites. When you see criticism of the Democratic Party on FOX would you assume the commentator is a disgruntled ex-Democrat? If I call Hannah Montana a corporate cocksucking whore does would you assume I'm a disgruntled Disney Channel subscriber? Criticism doesn't always have to be so damn personal. Sometimes, someone or something just screams out to be oiled up, spread-eagled, and fucked right up the ass.

There's sour grapes, but this ain't it. This is called "mocking the mainstream", "slapping the sheep" and "golden showers bring fanboy glowers". It's sometimes hard to tell when people are really laughing AT you...just ask North Korea.

Quote from: Shazbot79;353973Semantic argument? Really?

The stated reason for a banning and the actual reason for a banning don't have to be the same.  Implying that they are the same is just naive.

QuoteI've got to go with Occam's Razor on this one, folks.

Okay, let's use Occam's Razor.  I'll go first.  Joe the Lawyer is a known shit-stirrer.  He stirred the shit.  He got banned.  Asking what he did to stir the shit introduces unnecessary complication to the scenario, therefore he was banned for stirring the shit.  Am I doing this right?

Quote from: Windjammer;353975"WE WILL DELETE THIS AND ALL FUTURE REFERENCES TO THIS WILL RECEIVE TEMPORARY BANS!"

I SO heard this in a Dalek voice.

Quote from: Hairfoot;353990The majority at ENworld is favourable to Hasbro.  There's no doubt of that.  The question is what the balance would be if critical posts and posters weren't deleted or suspended.

Did you notice today where that "I don't like old school" thread was closed, while there are two "I don't like 4E" threads in the past few days which haven't been touched by the mods?

Quote from: Fifth Element;354003Did you notice today where that "I don't like old school" thread was closed, while there are two "I don't like 4E" threads in the past few days which haven't been touched by the mods?

After two pages, and if you check now you'll find the latest 4E criticism thread is shut after 15 posts.  Good thing, too, since it was pointless trolling.

The edition wars have become even more passive aggressive, and if I want to hang around a board whining about ENworld (well, whining more) I'd be at CM.

Good night.

Quote from: Hairfoot;354005After two pages, and if you check now you'll find the latest 4E criticism thread is shut after 15 posts.  Good thing, too, since it was pointless trolling.

True. It was likely an alt username anyway. The first one's still kicking though.

This ain't EN world, refugees.

Quote from: Hairfoot;354005After two pages, and if you check now you'll find the latest 4E criticism thread is shut after 15 posts.  Good thing, too, since it was pointless trolling.

The edition wars have become even more passive aggressive, and if I want to hang around a board whining about ENworld (well, whining more) I'd be at CM.

Good night.

Actually that thread was my fault...as I said before...I'm curious to see whether or not ENWorld mods are actually showing preference to one school of thought over the other...so I posted threads under two different names...one criticizing 4E and one criticizing 3E to see if one of them went by unmolested by the forum constabulary there...

One of them, the anti-4E thread here did indeed get shut down after a mere 15 posts.

The other one, criticizing 3E can be found here.

I posit that both of them will be shut down by the mods...as neither is particularly meaningful and ENworld seems to want forum discussions to be constructive or whatever. But if the pro 4E one stays open then I guess I owe you folks a beer.

P.S. Neither thread is indicative of my actual position on the whole edition war, I hasten to mention.

Quote from: One Horse Town;354030This ain't EN world, refugees.

Baby, you don't have to live like a refugee.

Quote from: Hairfoot;353990If negative commentary is deleted, of course the majority opinion will seem positive, and of course posters whose opinions are forbidden will move to other sites.  That doesn't make the "refugees" irrational.

The majority at ENworld is favourable to Hasbro.  There's no doubt of that.  The question is what the balance would be if critical posts and posters weren't deleted or suspended.

I imagine that the balance would not shift all that much.

Sure, WotC has made several PR missteps in the last couple of years, but it still seems that only a vocal few are hellbent on taking them to task at every opportunity.

Most of us simply don't care. I know that I don't....and I won't until they start doing something really underhanded and despicable like actively trying to drive competitors out of business or raping kittens.

I think that the heavy handed moderation of the ENworld forums is more a result of the community at large growing tired of the same old retread criticisms rather than a conspiracy to silence the voice of the people.

Quote from: jrients;353992Okay, let's use Occam's Razor.  I'll go first.  Joe the Lawyer is a known shit-stirrer.  He stirred the shit.  He got banned.  Asking what he did to stir the shit introduces unnecessary complication to the scenario, therefore he was banned for stirring the shit.  Am I doing this right?

That would be the simplest explanation, yes.

Guy goes to an internet forum to stir up shit, and then gets banned for stirring up shit.

The more convoluted explanation is that he goes to a forum to stir up shit, and gets banned because his shit stirring was aimed at the wrong guy, whereas if he had stirred shit against anyone else the mods would not have given him the banhammer.

By the way, all this talk of shit stirring is going to make it very difficult for me to enjoy a mocha in the coming days : (

Quote from: FASERIP;353900Agreed, but it's not just the system. It's the quality of product. No more "Dumping Ground Classics."

I don't have any Goodman modules, so I can't say. I think I got their overarching setting, which I found ho-hum. I do like some of their games, however.

Seanchai

Quote from: T. Foster;353248My personal recommendation is that they license OSRIC and go full-bore old-school.

I'm not sure that OSRIC is the best choice, but some form of Old School would be a great way to go for Goodman Games. Perhaps Castles & Crusades would be a good option, since it's sort of a blend of 3E and OS.

Having said all of that, at least Pathfinder is an active 3E-based game.

They've done some stuff with C&C before.  That'd be cool.

If Goodman's recent book "The Dungeon Alphabet" is any indication of the direction he's going -- I like it.

That book pushes all my buttons as a GM. It truly felt like 1980 and opening up a TSR hardback.