Goodman Games Rethinking Its Approach

jeff37923 · January 06, 2010, 05:16:14 PM

Quote from: ggroy;353532The major purveyors of d20 glut crap: Mongoose, Fast Forward, Fantasy Flight, Alderac, etc ... :rant:

I always liked Fantasy Flight Games books.

Fast Forward Entertainment d20 books were the only ones I ever wanted to just set on fire to keep them from infecting everything else. Goddamn, they are craptastic.

ggroy · January 06, 2010, 05:20:24 PM

Quote from: jeff37923;353570I always liked Fantasy Flight Games books.

The later Fantasy Flight stuff was half decent, such as Midnight.

Seanchai · January 06, 2010, 05:24:06 PM

Quote from: camazotz;353560...and the recent Azagar's Book of Rituals...

It's out? I want to get it.

Quote from: camazotz;353560One of my favorite 3rd party 4E books (Scythe and Shroud) has four cool classes, but they only appear in my games as NPCs because none of my players are willing to take the time to learn how to make a character without DDI hand-holding them through the process.

For me, it isn't time or hand holding, it's math. And it's prints nice little Power cards for me. With all the math pre-done on them.

Seanchai

Melan · January 06, 2010, 05:27:07 PM

I never felt the glut directly, probably because I was only buying selectively, and from the better publishers. Not much that I really regretted. I must admit though, I didn't get any use out of Creature Collection and Relics and Rituals - they were fashionable, and very impressive for the "oh, damn, we can actually do that sort of thing now that TSR is gone" factor, but in play, they never became necessary. Now Tome of Horrors, that was a godsend for 3.0.

Today, I stick to the two main old school magazines and the odd supplement on the side for inspiration. I don't really need anything to run my game, but sometimes bits of inspiration are nice to have.

jasonga · January 06, 2010, 05:46:23 PM

Quote from: J Arcane;353383I believe there's been several attempts to get him removed from RPGnow in the past, but since RPGnow are themselves a bunch of shady curs who basically don't give a fuck what happens on their network, I'm not sure anything ever came of it, and it sure wasn't permanent as he's still listed there.

He was kicked off RPGNow (with much wailing and gnashing of teeth on his part). However he was still on DTRPG (which was a separate company at the time) - when the merger happened, the powers-that-be allowed him to stay as a publisher in the new company.

J Arcane · January 06, 2010, 05:56:44 PM

Quote from: jasonga;353596He was kicked off RPGNow (with much wailing and gnashing of teeth on his part). However he was still on DTRPG (which was a separate company at the time) - when the merger happened, the powers-that-be allowed him to stay as a publisher in the new company.

I found the thread about him getting kicked on RPGnet last night after some digging, I'd post it but it's at home and I'm not.

I wondered why he was back, now I know.

I'll try and link that later, it winds up being a pretty good summary of the kind of open and blatant crookery he engages in. He doesn't even try to hide it, he's openly admitted to doing this shit in public in the past, but he knows that none of his victims can afford to sue and wouldn't get much in damages anyway.

It's obscene.

Joethelawyer · January 06, 2010, 06:29:34 PM

Quote from: J Arcane;3533254e is made to cater to the "official" mindset. It's inevitable then that should they succeed, 3rd party would be more or less dead to it and it's players.

Goodman frankly strikes me as a know it all cack who likes to appeal to invisible and unproven "experience" to make himself sound always right, but then LPJ is also a complete and utter pillock who has repeatedly shown himself to be a blatant plagiarist, relentless bandwagon jumper, and all around massive fucking tool with a severe lack of business ethics and an even bigger lack of his own ideas.

So really, they can both fuck off and die in a hole as far as I'm concerned.

A blast from the past...

http://wondrousimaginings.blogspot.com/2009/06/really-funny-comment-on-joe-goodmans.html

ggroy · January 06, 2010, 06:54:12 PM

Quote from: Joethelawyer;353605A blast from the past...

http://wondrousimaginings.blogspot.com/2009/06/really-funny-comment-on-joe-goodmans.html

That original Goodman article and subsequent followups, were amusing at the time.

Ronin · January 06, 2010, 08:49:49 PM

Quote from: Joethelawyer;353605A blast from the past...

http://wondrousimaginings.blogspot.com/2009/06/really-funny-comment-on-joe-goodmans.html

Thats funny as hell.

Zachary The First · January 06, 2010, 08:55:34 PM

Mr. Goodman had a poor year online. Don't forget his lesson in How Not To Respond To A Review (direct link here).

ggroy · January 06, 2010, 08:57:43 PM

Maybe he's slowly eating crow right now. :rolleyes:

Philotomy Jurament · January 06, 2010, 09:22:35 PM

Quote from: Werekoala;353525I'd say the majority of stuff I EVER bought for 3rd edition was from 3rd party folks, mostly because there was a broader range of material that piqued my interest I think.

Me, too. When I was playing and buying 3e material, I found the 3rd party stuff much more to my taste (mostly Necromancer Games material, but also Green Ronin and Malhavoc).

Shazbot79 · January 06, 2010, 11:59:09 PM

Quote from: jeff37923;353389That was actually the slogan of Necromancer Games.

Yes...okay...Necromancer Games. Same basic mission statement though.

Quote from: jeff37923;353389Except that Goodman Games already appears to have experimented in doing that.

Oh? And how did that work out for them?

Actually, asking this is a bit disingenuous as hithertofore Goodman Games has always supported the current D&D edition, so I already KNOW how it worked out for them.

Shazbot79 · January 07, 2010, 12:07:41 AM

Quote from: Chgowiz;353448If you play AD&D 1e, which still seems (anecdotally) to command a good following, then you're playing OSRIC. Vice versa. Supporting OSRIC/1e isn't a bad idea, it's a limited market, but not a bad idea.

A good following compared to what?

The majority of the gaming public couldn't give a flying monkey turd about 1st edition anymore, other than as a nostalgic memory of years gone by, usually followed by a series of grimaces. (anecdotally)

OSRIC is, on the surface, an attempt to keep AD&D 1st edition alive in a market filled with newer and better games, when all it's really doing is keeping it hooked to machines that do it's breathing for it.

So no, supporting OSRIC isn't a bad idea, if you were publishing PDF's for a tiny circle of cainotophobic shut ins, but if you actually want to make money...which by all accounts Joseph Goodman does, then it would be an awful idea.

Philotomy Jurament · January 07, 2010, 12:09:50 AM

Quote from: Shazbot79;353698Oh? And how did that work out for them?

Well, they're continuing to do it. Goodman entered into a relationship with Black Blade Publishing to convert 3.x DCC modules into 1e versions. Black Blade has released one, and has more in the pipeline (some delays happened due to Black Blade also picking up the Swords & Wizardry Core line).