Quote from: Technomancer;250260I didn't get that.  To me it was more analogous to being assigned to train a new employee who didn't want to pay attention to what you were trying to teach them....

You pay people to play with you?

Quote from: Vaecrius;250441You pay people to play with you?

I would imagine he does, with time and effort.

Note, I'll make no comment on the articles. I wasn't there and refuse to judge with only the account from one side. Even with both sides, it's unlikely I'd have any insight into the truth of the matter.

Quote from: Koltar;250432Eh...


She would've had more fun playing in a good GURPS campaign.


- Ed C.

That's like saying a mentally handicapped person would be better off playing in the middle of a country road rather than a 4 lane highway.  Sure there's less cars but then again one is all it takes.

Thing is - I don't think she was mentally handicapped. We're getting a biased view from a possibly immature GM.


- Ed C.

Why the hell didn't he kick her out of his ga--

-- oh, because he wanted something to write about.

Jeez.  Pathos, pathos all 'round.

Quote from: KenHR;250265Only a page or so here, too, but that's exactly the impression I got.  The GM laid out the options available to the player, which the player completely ignored.  I'm just not seeing some ogre crushing a fluffy snowflake kitten's enthusiasm.

a) I think it's entirely excusable for a new player to forget a couple of things; there's a lot of stuff to digest in Vampire character gen.

b) So, this girl's crime was going away, researching the WoD, and coming back with a character concept she was really enthused by? If a new player independently looked into the game I was running for them I'd be thrilled.

Quote from: Koltar;250489Thing is - I don't think she was mentally handicapped. We're getting a biased view from a possibly immature GM.

o_O I think you're taking his analogy a bit further than he intended.

Quote from: Idinsinuation;250448That's like saying a mentally handicapped person would be better off playing in the middle of a country road rather than a 4 lane highway.  Sure there's less cars but then again one is all it takes.

So you're suggesting the choice of game would have made at least some difference in the risk of douchebaggery involved? How would it?

Quote from: Warthur;250512a) I think it's entirely excusable for a new player to forget a couple of things; there's a lot of stuff to digest in Vampire character gen.

b) So, this girl's crime was going away, researching the WoD, and coming back with a character concept she was really enthused by? If a new player independently looked into the game I was running for them I'd be thrilled.

Yeah, I'm with that.  A key rule that I would have is not to shoot a new player's ideas down and simply tell them "pick something else".  Heck, I tend to do that even with experienced players, but especially with new ones.

Quote from: Vaecrius;250531So you're suggesting the choice of game would have made at least some difference in the risk of douchebaggery involved? How would it?

I think if one is playing a 'dark' game, the chances of 'dark' (i.e. asshat) things happening rises.

Screwing the players is part fo the WoD experience from what I've read of the material. In Wraith for example that was an assignment handed out to another player as well as one held by the GM.

Note: This statement is independent of the events on the website. It's a general statement about games.

Her character comes from the lowest scum of the Vampire world.
Her character was low on blood.
She rolled a botch on a willpower roll.  

I see no problem with that scene.   It's dramatic, tragic, terrifyingly evil and perverse - AKA the whole fucking point of Vampire!!

If she rolled anything other than a botch, I would have ruled differently as the ST.   Sounds like an awesome story that will get retold.  Way Bad Shit is the whole point of a botch mechanic.

Quote from: Warthur;250512b) So, this girl's crime was going away, researching the WoD, and coming back with a character concept she was really enthused by? If a new player independently looked into the game I was running for them I'd be thrilled.

From what I can tell, her "crime" is being a poor judge of character.

Seanchai

Quote from: Seanchai;250611From what I can tell, her "crime" is being a poor judge of character.

Seanchai

Playing Vampire wasn't a wise move either.

Quote from: Vaecrius;250531o_O I think you're taking his analogy a bit further than he intended.

So you're suggesting the choice of game would have made at least some difference in the risk of douchebaggery involved? How would it?

EDIT:  Yes, my use of the words "mentally handicapped" were a bit exaggerated.  Although if she has the social issues as strongly as this guy suggests than she probably has some sort of serious disorder going on.

I was kind of joking around, I don't know whether she's stupid or not but if we take the ST's word for it, she is pretty dumb.

I was also more focused on Koltar's use of the word "good."  If we are to take Michelle at the value given to her in her ST's posts it's very likely she would be argumentative and disruptive in any game whether it's good or not.  A good game (one without cowardly vengeful ST syndrome) might lessen some of her problems but I doubt it would improve things enough to make the keeping her around worthwhile.

Quote from: Koltar;250489Thing is - I don't think she was mentally handicapped. We're getting a biased view from a possibly immature GM.


- Ed C.

Quite possible, it's hard to tell.  There's also the possibility that he's being completely honest and really was frustrated by his game's problems, even though he did as much as anyone to cause them.

I'm just gonna have to side with the previous assumption in this thread that I wouldn't want to game with any of these people, too much drama for my taste.

Quote from: gleichman;250620Playing Vampire wasn't a wise move either.

Vampire is too awesome, but it seems like many folks who play, play like asses.

Seanchai

Quote from: Seanchai;250896Vampire is too awesome, but it seems like many folks who play, play like asses.

Seanchai

It's Chaotic Asshole, all the way down.