Quote from: Technomancer;250260I didn't get that.  To me it was more analogous to being assigned to train a new employee who didn't want to pay attention to what you were trying to teach them.  You almost can't help but start to dislike the person and stop trying to help them, which leads to them becoming more of a screw-up, which starts to make you actively want them to fail and/or get lost.

But like others, I only read a page or so.

Only a page or so here, too, but that's exactly the impression I got.  The GM laid out the options available to the player, which the player completely ignored.  I'm just not seeing some ogre crushing a fluffy snowflake kitten's enthusiasm.

Quote from: Age of Fable;250263What happened is that her old character got put into torpor (basically a coma), and was stored at the clan headquarters.

Wandering around, Michelle's new character found the body, and had to make a roll to see if they had enough self-control to avoid eating the body, which they failed.

Murdering another vampire is one of the big crimes in the world of the game, and means that everyone is expected to kill you. Sometimes you can get away with it depending on the status of yourself and the victim, but Michelle's new character is a Caitiff, who have the lowest status.

So I think it was done by the rules as written, but there's a certain air of "gotcha!" about it.

Ah, I can see where that's coming from, then.  Thanks for the explanation!

I was bored enough, killing time before work, to read several pages.  I don't want to game with any of them.  The floppy-spined GM, the ditz he claims to loathe, his gal pal.  Yuck all round.

I however, am that bored.  As I've said before I always thought I was terrible at running Vampire, but so far this stuff has made me feel lots better about our old WW games.

I really enjoy introducing new people to the hobby and this GM sets off my rage stimulus.  To top it off the group takes the game so damn seriously that they're assholes to the girl and then they actually have the balls to say things like, "I mean it’s just a game for Christ’s sake!”

Real good logic on their parts.

Quote from: KenHR;250215How's that a dick move?

Well, let's see...

The GM decides to lay a trap to cause Michelle to lose her character to "teach her a lesson."  Later the trap is sprung.  She loses her character and is forced to create a new one.

Then, some time later, the GM creates a situation where Michelle finds her old character and dangles the carrot of possible resurrection.  But the carrot is poisoned, and he "teaches her a lesson" again by having her destroy her old character.

I have a feeling his call would have been the same regardless of her roll.  The sole purpose of the event was to be mean.

Well after reading more I'm kind of skeptical at just how dumb Michelle is supposed to be.  Sure it's possible but since it's coming from the person who wrote the threads I have to wonder if any of it (and how much) was exaggerated.

However this does prove the ST is kind of goofy for not just discussing his issues openly and instead had to use the game to teach lessons.

Quote from: KenHR;250215How's that a dick move?  I'll admit up front that I have zero experience with Vampire, but that situation sounds consonant with stories I've heard from others who've played the game extensively.

I'm honestly curious, btw, not trying to be argumentative for argumentativeness's sake.

It's a dick move because there's nothing in Vampire that says a character should feel some kind of instinctive desire to diablerize a sleeping vamp.  The entire scenario is pure bullshit.  

The GM is taking advantage of the new players ignorance to force her to do something she shouldn't have to do in the first place.

A GM does have the right to set limits on character types, but those limits should be flexible if the player has good explanations/ideas.

They should also be well-explained.

Actually it means more than mere destruction. It is an act of utter perversion in which one vampire drinks the heartblood of another and with it the soul, destroying the target completely and staining his own soul in the process - forever.

Oh and I just read it to the end.
The player of the vampire who was suddenly that much more beautiful than michele, that solana girl, she became the girlfriend of the gamemaster along the way...

Even assuming that it's written word totally accuratly and without exageration or omission, the GM and his players are a bunch of cocks. Seriously, in part 6, (yeah, I like reading about stupid shit,) inspired by the story 'Eric and the Gazebo,' he decides to replace some known location with a gazebo. Michelle obviously thinking something is weird (gazebo appearing overnight) tries to investigae, but the gazebo is totally ordianry and scans as totally normal. Now, she's not confused by what a gazebo is, just confused and curious why a gazebo suddenly is where a gazebo was not. The GM is so fucking amused at his cleverness, he's laughing out loud at her c-waazy behavior. Oh, how silly of her to be curious about a gazebo suddenly appearing where none had been before! Oh, how foolish of her, how droll of the GM!

What a bunch of fucking dildos.

The time spent on writing that load of shite should have been spent learning how to be a functional adult and then GM. Instead of reading it I should have been surfing for porn or something....

Regards,
David R

Quote from: Age of Fable;250263What happened is that her old character got put into torpor (basically a coma), and was stored at the clan headquarters.

Wandering around, Michelle's new character found the body, and had to make a roll to see if they had enough self-control to avoid eating the body, which they failed.

Murdering another vampire is one of the big crimes in the world of the game, and means that everyone is expected to kill you. Sometimes you can get away with it depending on the status of yourself and the victim, but Michelle's new character is a Caitiff, who have the lowest status.

So I think it was done by the rules as written, but there's a certain air of "gotcha!" about it.

There normally isn't a "self-control" check to avoid diablerie in Vampire in the first place.

Quote from: Pseudoephedrine;250392There normally isn't a "self-control" check to avoid diablerie in Vampire in the first place.

Exactly. Not under normal circumstances anyway and she was under normal circumstances.  She should have blown a WP on that roll and fucked over the GM's retarded trap. Granted, she was a moron too (ignoring character generation guidelines like that would have forced me to drive a railroad spike through her spinal cord), but this guy was beyond prickish. Then again, and I say this as a WW gamer, most WW ST's I've played under have been assholes like this. Only a few have been fair, impartial, and good.

-=Grim=-

Eh...


She would've had more fun playing in a good GURPS campaign.


- Ed C.