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A Meaningful "What If"

Started by RPGPundit, May 06, 2008, 01:48:01 PM

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arminius

#45
May 06, 2008, 10:49:15 PM
Okay, I'll bite. If we aren't talking Forge-y stuff, what precisely is it about Shadowrun and Rifts--your examples, Dwight--that provide the tools needed to make SF good. Two non-starters: (1) Kill-things-and-take-their-stuff, just with cybergear; (2) Railroading, preplotted "stories", and illusionism. Both of those are equally applicable to fantasy, and fantasy definitely does (1) very comfortably, thus enjoying a natural advantage in bootstrapping/training wheels for less-than-virtuoso GMs.

flyingmice

#46
May 06, 2008, 10:57:27 PM
I ran D&D for 20 years, and I think I had about 5 dungeons. I never did get it.

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Pierce Inverarity

#47
May 06, 2008, 11:12:42 PM
You and me both, Clash. I only got it a year ago or so.
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flyingmice

#48
May 06, 2008, 11:16:13 PM
Quote from: Pierce InverarityYou and me both, Clash. I only got it a year ago or so.

Then what is it? I still haven't got it.

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Pierce Inverarity

#49
May 07, 2008, 12:03:10 AM
In the tiniest of nutshells: it's scary, and you need a battlemat.
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Haffrung

#50
May 07, 2008, 12:52:13 AM
Any game that would be appealing to today's sophisticated, 32-year-old RPGer, would by its nature have no mass appeal in 1979. So yeah, give up those fantasies of an alternate reality where the type of RPG game you love today would have been the foundation of the hobby. Those games never were, are not today, and never will be popular.
 

Sigmund

#51
May 07, 2008, 06:16:28 AM
Well, there's been alot of posts since my last, but I just wanted to follow up and say that in the mid to late 70s and early 80s I seemed to find a great many more fantasy books that appealed to my pre to early teen self than scifi, but maybe I wasn't looking in the right place. I had tried some scifi like Niven and Heinlein, but it just didn't seem as accesible to the younger crowd to me, in other words kinda bored me. There was Star Wars, and Star Trek, and that was the extent of the scifi I liked at the time. Maybe getting into a Star Wars product early would have made a difference for kids like me, although I have no idea how many of us there were, so it might have meant nothing in the big picture.
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#52
May 07, 2008, 10:27:24 AM
Quote from: HaffrungAny game that would be appealing to today's sophisticated, 32-year-old RPGer, would by its nature have no mass appeal in 1979. So yeah, give up those fantasies of an alternate reality where the type of RPG game you love today would have been the foundation of the hobby. Those games never were, are not today, and never will be popular.

Who are you talking to?
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J Arcane

#53
May 07, 2008, 12:31:27 PM
Quote from: DwightYou getting a Fact Beatdown, so you pull out a tired, name-calling schtick?  :rolleyes:   The thread was stillborn, I need to shake my head for even looking in it. :( L8R doodZ!
"Facts"?  You miserable wangrod, all you're doing is spinning statistics to say what you want them to say.  I can do the same thing, watch:  GTA4 has sold in it's first week what The Sims took two years to sell.

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#54
May 07, 2008, 12:35:19 PM
I come here to annoy and amuse. I'll get to the amusing part sometime soon. I promise.
You are posting in a troll thread.

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Spike

#55
May 07, 2008, 12:39:13 PM
You amuse ME Aos.  Of course, most of the regulars here do, otherwise I wouldn't keep checking in....

... its the newer blood that don't amuse.  The are sadly lacking in teh poasting skillz...
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#56
May 07, 2008, 12:47:26 PM
Quote from: HaffrungAny game that would be appealing to today's sophisticated, 32-year-old RPGer, would by its nature have no mass appeal in 1979. So yeah, give up those fantasies of an alternate reality where the type of RPG game you love today would have been the foundation of the hobby. Those games never were, are not today, and never will be popular.

QFT

The idea that the hobby could have began from games that were developed by and for people with decades of gaming experience is rather stupid, to say the least.
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#57
May 07, 2008, 01:16:12 PM
Okay, so -- what about Encounter Critical?
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flyingmice

#58
May 07, 2008, 01:20:12 PM
Quote from: Dr Rotwang!Okay, so -- what about Encounter Critical?

Roleplaying as we know it DID evolve directly from EC. We're talking about, y'know, other stuff, doc! :O

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Dr Rotwang!

#59
May 07, 2008, 01:43:19 PM
...I'm so clueless.
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