Quote from: SettembriniI have never tried it, but your comments will keep it that way.
:rolleyes:

So there! :snooty:

!i!

QuoteWhat annoys me is the people who criticize the game for being things was never intended to be.

Hey - I think its conceptually ididotic. AND not very good. 70% chance of failure?

QuoteAnd many of the criticisms about the PCs being minions instead of masters blatantly ignores that nearly every other popular RPG in the market does the exact same thing.

DnD? Exalted? Rifts? Vampire?

There basically are no (popular) games where the PCs are explicitly lackeys of someone else who is cooler than them.

And DnD characters get better fast - you can probably figure out how many sessions it takes for a DnD character overtake a maxed out 75 session DH pc.

Broken...Record...Go...Away...

Quote from: Erik BoielleDnD? Exalted? Rifts? Vampire?

There basically are no (popular) games where the PCs are explicitly lackeys of someone else who is cooler than them.

What I was getting at was there are two extremely common ways of playing RPGs using the "mission style" approach (which is one of the more popular ways of playing RPGs):

1. The characters are tasked to perform specific missions by someone.
2. The characters are hired to perform specific missions by someone.

In either case, the characters are essentially lackeys, whether or not the relationship is explicit.

The point here is that working for the inquisitor is a gaming conceit to explain where their missions come from.  You're not supposed to run the game as a "run around and watch the inquisitor do cool stuff" type of game.  You're supposed to run the game as a regular, mission-style RPG where the inquisitor is just the guy giving you the job.  He's the mysterious old man in the inn, if you will.

Quote from: jgantsAnd many of the criticisms about the PCs being minions instead of masters blatantly ignores that nearly every other popular RPG in the market does the exact same thing.

That, right there... THAT is what fucking annoys me. EVERY OTHER RPG already does this.  

Maybe... just fucking maybe... some of us are fucking tired of having to start artificially stupid just to play out the same tired.fucking.story.


The worst part of it is this: It doesn't have to be this way. We COULD have our cake and eat it too. There is plenty of information out there that suggests that a starting inquisitor ISN"T the bee's knees.

I mean, sure, he's one step shy of being God Incarnate to most of the punks that make up the Imperium. So what.  So's a simple street Arbiter with a shotgun, what's your point?

More to the point: An Inquisitor and a retinue is not an unplayable group structure. The Inquistor has the political power, and plays the game with the rest of teh Inquisition, but Tech Priests are a power unto themselves, and generally the rest of a Retinue is better at whatever teh fuck that persons job is than the Inquistor is.

Presto! You get your niche play too! Wow. Whuda thunkit?



But no.


For Dark Heresy they essentially made up an entire new layer of peons below the inquisition, just for this game mind you, just so you could struggle with streetgangs and the like.

You aren't 'Secret Police' you are 'Secret Police informers and occasional deputies'.

I'm glad Warthur and Kysst had fun with their games. Really I am. I envy them their GM's.  

Because the game does not support investigating and taking down planetary governors.  


Hell, matching DH up to the Inquisition as we have been given to understand it: It's like joining a Star Wars game and being handed a Serenity RPG. Maybe Serenity is good, maybe you like it; but motherfucker, it is not, doesn't even share the same chapters as, Star Wars.  

That is about the same relationship between Dark Heresy and the source matterial already out about the Inquisition.

THAT above all else, is what irritates the shit out of me.

That and ' This game tastes like chocolate, I like chocolate, therefore all you whiny bitchs complaining are just wrong, because chocolate is good.'

Sorry, Jgants, but I wanted fucking Vanilla.  

So get off your fucking high horse and stop telling me to eat motherfucking chocolate and like it.

Spike - every single line of your above post is so idiotic I have trouble believing that you are capable of being this stupid.

Now you've reduced your bitch about DH to "it's just like every other game"?

You people waffle more than U.S. Presidential Candidates.

Quote from: SpikeSo get off your fucking high horse and stop telling me to eat motherfucking chocolate and like it.

You'll eat your chocolate and like it mister, or no brussel sprouts for dessert for you!  Err...wait...

I agree with you, actually, that playing the game as an Inquisitor + retinue would make even more sense and is a perfectly playable structure.  I just don't think the majority of the market would agree; they like having equal characters (just look at 4e D&D).

Hey Spike, Erik and Sett. Get the fuck out of this thread. You trolling peices of shit have never played the fucking game, so what the fuck have you learned about it? What the fuck do you have to say about it?


#1 Thing I learned: Dark Heresy is fun!

#2 Thing I learned: Dark Heresy is not about playing an Inquisitor.

Quote from: KrakaJakHey Spike, Erik and Sett. Get the fuck out of this thread. You trolling peices of shit have never played the fucking game, so what the fuck have you learned about it? What the fuck do you have to say about it?


#1 Thing I learned: Dark Heresy is fun!

#2 Thing I learned: Dark Heresy is not about playing an Inquisitor.

...and the customers/players who were at my gaming store would agree with you Krakky!

My Manager GM-ed DARK HERESY RPG sessions for the past 2 weeks on Sunday afternoons at our store's gaming tables.
 Everuone had smiles on their faces and had a good time. They even lingered after the game ...going over it and looking forward to the next session.

 So - I'm not a player , but it looks like a game that people CAN have fun with.

- Ed C.

Quote from: KoltarSo - I'm not a player , but it looks like a game that people CAN have fun with.

This is true for all games, koltar.

Regards,
David R

Quote from: David RThis is true for all games, koltar.

The nuance I'm getting from Koltar's post is that, by the standards of the various demonstration games that have been run in Koltar's shop over time, Dark Heresy seems to be one of the more successful ones. Is that correct, Koltar?

Quote from: SpikeThat, right there... THAT is what fucking annoys me. EVERY OTHER RPG already does this.  

Maybe... just fucking maybe... some of us are fucking tired of having to start artificially stupid just to play out the same tired.fucking.story.

And a bunch of other ramblings.

Normally you don't sound like a raving lunatic, but you've completely jumped off the deep end here.

Quote from: kryystNormally you don't sound like a raving lunatic, but you've completely jumped off the deep end here.

Sometimes its just called for.

And Krackajack: Bite me, bitch. I ran the fucker. Once.  Not suitable for my players, sadly. And still a disappointment.

Quote from: SpikeSometimes its just called for.

And Krackajack: Bite me, bitch. I ran the fucker. Once.  Not suitable for my players, sadly. And still a disappointment.

Lay off Kraka.

He can't help you're a fucking idiot.

Edited- turned into a PM,

Admins Delete this post please