Quote from: walkerpat the top (M&M is probably one of these).

It's pretty much what I meant about M&M.

Quote from: walkerpI mean you could say the same thing about Wilderlands here.

Note that I meant all fora, not just rpg.net. But I think that the specific example of Wilderlands is a bad example. Primarily because most of the hype seemed to come way after it's launch, and it really is hype about the KIND of thing Wilderlands is.

Quote from: KoltarThats nice, but RPG.net is not the real world - as we've discussed many times on here before.

Maybe you should try reading the OP again.

Quote from: DrewMaybe you should try reading the OP again.

not sure if he can since he got banned.

how about McWod?

lots of buzz about that for a while, then Gencon came and it was sort of a flop compared to all the hype.

Quote from: Mcrowhow about McWod?

lots of buzz about that for a while, then Gencon came and it was sort of a flop compared to all the hype.

I'm curious: What criteria do you use to call it a flop? Online buzz only?

Quote from: JongWKI'm curious: What criteria do you use to call it a flop? Online buzz only?

From what I've heard from Gencon and local retailers is that it didn't sell near as well as expected.

Quote from: McrowFrom what I've heard from Gencon and local retailers is that it didn't sell near as well as expected.

Ok, that's better than TBP buzz. :keke:

Quote from: JongWKOk, that's better than TBP buzz. :keke:

Even if it didn't out sell as much as expected, it would still be considered a success for most publishers.

To put in perspective:

Changeling sold 750 copies through Engrams
McWod sold 155

That's from Gencon to today.

Sure, Engrams isn't the best measure for RPGs since it's most just for books sold through book stores (Amazon as well),  but it is an indicator.

Quote from: McrowFrom what I've heard from Gencon and local retailers is that it didn't sell near as well as expected.

I'll admit that the only reason I'm interested in it is for the setting.

Though they did get a couple of geographical details wrong.

Well, as far as SCION goes:

1.  The books got systematically pushed back from their first dates to come out.  That never helps, but it was expected.

2.  White Wolf had more copies of SCION: Hero made.  That's always a good sign.

3.  Some time in December, we are expecting the "God" book.  That should help keep the talk going.

4.  Already we hear rumors that the books are successful and White Wolf is planning some more books for a line that was only supposed to have three books!

I'm looking forward to a game line that is just starting.  Nothing much has been said online, because White Wolf likes to keep it hush-hush, and the players of that game only have two-thirds of the game to really talk about right now.  

Out here the local shops seem to move D&D, d20, generic OGL d20-likes (M&M etc...), Gurps 4, and HERO 5.

I guess the best look into what the darlings were/are can be found by looking at the back shelves at Warp2 (Warp1 having gone out of business, Whyte Knight being eclectic older material, and the other stores not really carrying anything beyond d20 stuff).  On those shelves it's mainly Exalted, Deadlands, Palladium/RIFTS, and OWoD books.  I'd be curious about the SentryBox in Calgary as they carry a much wider range of non-mainstream stuff.

Online at the Edmonton Gamers Association message boards the current darling is, without a doubt, M&M.  We're definitely happy with that game - to the point that there's a bunch of guys who are seriously considering using it as the base rules set for their gestalt setting project.  We'll see how long that lasts.