Ok, so I loved Skyrealms of Jorune 2nd Edition then in the 3rd edition they had to bring on the 'pods - such a lame idea, followed by a lame adventure about the pods. I want to run the setting as it is, so any goofy bits put me off getting fully immersed  in that world

So what detail has made you think 'ugh!' in a setting you otherwise love ?


(oh, and a big shout out to those of you mailing me with explanations of theoretical shit, bringing on the 'isms and 'ologies. I love you from the bottom of my pond. I am Bette Midler and YOU are the wind beneath my wings. I am drunk )

Anthropomorphic ducks.

...it had societies that can't possibly support themselves.

Quote from: darAnthropomorphic ducks.

Dude, you beat me to it.

-=Grim=-

Anything ending in -Boy for RIFTS.

They're all dumb ideas...and they're the reasons I can't play it.

Quote from: Bradford C. Walker...it had societies that can't possibly support themselves.

Orkworld?

If so, the argument was made that it was intentional to make people roleplay hunting, though the argument was not I think terribly persuasive...

Quote from: BalbinusOrkworld?

I did not have Orkworld in mind when I wrote my previous post.

QuoteIf so, the argument was made that it was intentional to make people role-play hunting, though the argument was not I think terribly persuasive...

I'll keep that in mind for when I encounter a copy of Orkworld.

...Good until....

 Assassination.....


 Rebellion.....,

 Virus.....

Yeah, TRAVELLER.
 They lost me when they did too much meta-plot.

 GURPS: TRAVELLER got me back into TRAVELLER, because it felt like the spirit of the original....just much more personality.


- Ed C.

I don't mind the Rebellion - especially since we now have GURPS Traveller to give us an alternate, metaplot-free timeline. It's the Virus which really sticks in my craw; they wanted to transform the Traveller setting, but they couldn't think of any way to do it using the defined parameters and elements of the setting, so they totally pulled something out of their ass. The assassination of the Emperor at the beginning of MegaTraveller was sudden but absolutely possible under the assumptions of the system. The Virus came from nowhere. (At best, you can point to a single CT adventure where the PCs find an intelligent software program on an alien microchip, but there's no Earthly reason why such a thing could even survive on the usual, non-Ancient designed computers of the setting - let alone take them over.)

Quote from: SeanSo what detail has made you think 'ugh!' in a setting you otherwise love ?

The Virus.

The Rebellion... meh. Could have worked if they put some good authors on it, had potential.

But the Virus and TNE... BLEH!

Exalted as presented soely in 1ed corebook was really good. Everything since has only really diminished it.

Gas-Core Nuclear Rockets as a standard spacecraft drive.

No, just NO.

Every design of one that I've seen is an engineering nightmare. The concept itself is inherently unsafe and all I see when I look at the designs are failure modes in which the entire ship becomes fatally radioactive or the drive itself spews its nuclear fuel across the cosmos.

Its one of the reasons my brain stops and makes grinding noises when I think of Transhuman Space.

Oh no... Traveller.

I love traveller. GURPS and Classic. And maybe a couple different versions.

Dislike the 'disease' and 'grandfather'.

I like the idea of the ancients, really cool. Just that 'grandfather' bugs me for some reason.

Quote from: signoftheserpentExalted as presented soely in 1ed corebook was really good. Everything since has only really diminished it.

I'm mainly of the same stance... except that I like the game as presented in the 1e core and in Dragon Blooded (I really prefer Dragon Blooded focused games).  It went completely sideways after that.  Games of Divinity was the nail in the coffin.

EDIT:

I'd like to add that what really killed the setting for me was the rampant spread of nihilism.  The Solars rapidly became douche bags with kewl powerz, no different from Abyssals except for trappings.  All the rest, except the Dragon Blooded, followed suit.  The Dragon Blooded, while corrupt, were essentially all that tied the setting to regular human-scale concerns that I could relate to, and therefore provided the only perspective on the setting that made any sense to me.   Just a huge amount of incongruity between my concept of "hero" (morally driven protagonist) and the game's concept of "hero" (dude with powerz!).

Quote from: architect.zero...I like the game as presented in the 1e core and in Dragon Blooded...

Another vote for 1st ed and The Dragon Blooded.  Exalted suffered from the same sort of conceptual dilution that the World o' Darkness did.  So it's odd that I have to complete the original statement "...until the original concept was so diluted and lost among trivialities that it was no longer interesting and ceased to really focus on the player characters."

Oh, and ducks, as well as baboons, pretty much make Glorantha.

!i!