Best system for Original BSG?

RPGPundit · October 12, 2007, 03:21:22 AM

Quote from: Tyberious FunkAs a former comic book reader, I tend to look at the new BSG as being something akin to DCs "Elseworlds" line (or "What if?", from Marvel). Elseworlds is an alternative take on an established franchise... designed to be judged on it's own merits, not based on how well it re-creates the original material. If an Elseworlds book is well written and illustrated, then I'll enjoy it. Regardless of how much it deviates from the source material.

Well sure, I could see it as a very weird Elseworlds story.

Think of it as a Superman Elseworld; except that they just call it Superman, it replaces the original comic, and the particular Elseworld makes an intentional mockery of absolutely everything that fans liked about Superman while at the same time arguing almost the opposite philosophical-moral message.

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Ronin · October 12, 2007, 07:01:26 AM

Quote from: SettembriniStar Blazers!

Star Blazers Rules!
Or are you speaking of

Robotech which rules also.

Tyberious Funk · October 12, 2007, 07:55:15 AM

Quote from: RoninStar Blazers Rules!
Or are you speaking of
Robotech which rules also.

IIRC, Star Blazers is from the late 70's, Robotech is the early 80's.

Ronin · October 12, 2007, 10:05:32 AM

Quote from: Tyberious FunkIIRC, Star Blazers is from the late 70's, Robotech is the early 80's.

Oh, I know. But they still both rule.

I have a friend kev, that is a big Star Blazers fan. I nabbed a 12 issue (seems like it was the comic co series, but I could be wrong) run super cheap. From my buddies comic shop before it closed. Gave them to Kev as a wedding present.

Ian Absentia · October 12, 2007, 10:25:18 AM

Quote from: RPGPunditWell sure, I could see it as a very weird Elseworlds story.

Think of it as a Superman Elseworld; except that they just call it Superman, it replaces the original comic...

You mean the original Superman comic that went out of print over 20 years ago after a print run that barely lasted 24 issues and hasn't seen the light of day since?

!i!

Andy K · October 12, 2007, 11:02:50 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit...the Cylons aren't really so bad, and everyone is wrong. Doesn't that pretty much sum it up?

I mean come on, motherfuckers, you guys want to pretend that its the same show, then answer me this: Are the Cylons absolutely evil?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=EdqIA1zOhao

arminius · October 12, 2007, 11:41:37 AM

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arminius · October 12, 2007, 11:56:21 AM

Quote from: RoninRobotech which rules also.

Hah, I'm such a maniac about Macross that I'd temporarily forgotten about its Robotech incarnation, let alone that, in that form, it wasn't obscure at all around these parts.

But...Macross...or Robotech...holds together a lot better than BSG or Star Wars (taken as a whole).

(Strongly recommend a look at the Macross movie "Do you remember love" if you can your hands on it; in many ways it's the right way to do a reimaginization of an earlier story. Unfortunately US distribution has been limited to a badly-dubbed and edited version on VHS, but there are...ways...of getting a subtitled version of the original.)

RPGPundit · October 12, 2007, 12:22:48 PM

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaYou mean the original Superman comic that went out of print over 20 years ago after a print run that barely lasted 24 issues and hasn't seen the light of day since?

!i!

Yes, ok, clearly the Real Series was long enough ago that the actual fandom that actually gave a damn was such a small minority that they could TOTALLY CHANGE the series, basically create a brand new series with no relation to the original, and not fear that the general public would be confused or opposed.

That doesn't mean that its the Real BSG.

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RPGPundit · October 12, 2007, 12:25:17 PM

Quote from: Andy Khttp://youtube.com/watch?v=EdqIA1zOhao

That was a single episode in the sequel series that most fans consider non-canonical (although I'll admit that quite a few fans do consider THAT particular episode canonical); and it was a case where a human rewired a Cylon to be friendly.

What I'm talking about is something totally different, its the creation of a moral vacuum. Wherein the Cylons are actually sort-of right, and the humans are sort-of wrong, and the humans might be to blame, and Adama says the humans may not even deserve to exist, and you wonder what the fuck is the point of even watching if there's no clear moral purpose.

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droog · October 12, 2007, 01:20:02 PM

Quote from: RPGPundityou wonder what the fuck is the point of even watching if there's no clear moral purpose.

Welcome to the 21st century. Nietzsche is waiting for you.

Cab · October 12, 2007, 02:29:47 PM

Quote from: RPGPunditWhat I'm talking about is something totally different, its the creation of a moral vacuum. Wherein the Cylons are actually sort-of right, and the humans are sort-of wrong, and the humans might be to blame, and Adama says the humans may not even deserve to exist, and you wonder what the fuck is the point of even watching if there's no clear moral purpose.

Again... Watch the series. You're completely missing the point of what it has been about.

Ian Absentia · October 12, 2007, 04:09:06 PM

Quote from: RPGPunditWhat I'm talking about is something totally different, its the creation of a moral vacuum. Wherein the Cylons are actually sort-of right, and the humans are sort-of wrong, and the humans might be to blame, and Adama says the humans may not even deserve to exist, and you wonder what the fuck is the point of even watching if there's no clear moral purpose.

Sometimes stories are about moral ambiguity. The viewer doesn't always have to identify with a character in order to enjoy the character.

That said, by the end of the second season, the new BSG had become too unrelentingly dark for me to enjoy anymore. My opinion, though -- plenty of people kept enjoying it thereafter.

!i!

Blackleaf · October 12, 2007, 09:17:15 PM

Quote from: Elliot Wilen(Strongly recommend a look at the Macross movie "Do you remember love" if you can your hands on it; in many ways it's the right way to do a reimaginization of an earlier story. Unfortunately US distribution has been limited to a badly-dubbed and edited version on VHS, but there are...ways...of getting a subtitled version of the original.)

Meh. I didn't care for it... but Macross Zero i liked, and I'm not much of an anime fan. The combat sequences are pretty intense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvJaGP26ngk

Koltar · October 12, 2007, 09:36:21 PM

I must need either more sleep or more caffeine - I keep thinking ViperGrrl is going to post something to this thread.

- Ed C.