Lies Fanboys Tell About Their Favourite Games

walkerp · September 22, 2007, 08:42:21 PM

I suspect that some of you are referring to GURPS 3rd edition when you say it can't handle high-powered games. With Powers (and probably Martial Arts), and the way they have broken down Advantages into their components allows you to go way into the stratosphere without the system breaking down. I played up to 300+ and my GM is in a campaign where they are in the 700-point range I think and it sounds like they are having a lot of fun.

Rezendevous · September 22, 2007, 08:42:36 PM

Quote from: RPGPunditSome examples:

GURPS: GURPS is a game system that can run literally anything!

Wushu: Ditto

Who actually has said this about these games? Do you have links?

Abyssal Maw · September 22, 2007, 08:54:44 PM

Jesus, have you ever been to RPGnet?

Rezendevous · September 22, 2007, 09:14:33 PM

Quote from: Abyssal MawJesus, have you ever been to RPGnet?

Yes, I read Open pretty much daily. Still haven't seen an incidence of what he's talking about. I've seen people say that Wushu and GURPS can be used to run a lot of things, but not that they can used to run literally anything. I'm willing to be proven wrong, though.

Hell, while I'm at it, I'm willing to call bullshit on all of these so-called "fanboy claims" in the whole damn thread. Anyone can say, "Fans of Game X say Y and Z about it!" but it's meaningless unless you can actually show quite a few examples of such.

grubman · September 22, 2007, 10:48:47 PM

Quote from: RezendevousYes, I read Open pretty much daily. Still haven't seen an incidence of what he's talking about. I've seen people say that Wushu and GURPS can be used to run a lot of things, but not that they can used to run literally anything. I'm willing to be proven wrong, though.

Hell, while I'm at it, I'm willing to call bullshit on all of these so-called "fanboy claims" in the whole damn thread. Anyone can say, "Fans of Game X say Y and Z about it!" but it's meaningless unless you can actually show quite a few examples of such.

Well if you DO read RPGnet on a regular basis you can hardly call bullshit on the two I mentioned.

walkerp · September 22, 2007, 10:59:06 PM

Quote from: RezendevousHell, while I'm at it, I'm willing to call bullshit on all of these so-called "fanboy claims" in the whole damn thread. Anyone can say, "Fans of Game X say Y and Z about it!" but it's meaningless unless you can actually show quite a few examples of such.

I second your bullshit call. This is more an excuse to rant about people pushing their games inappropriately. It happens, but I'd say most fans of most systems are pretty realistic about what their systems can and can't do.

Rezendevous · September 22, 2007, 11:12:23 PM

Quote from: grubmanWell if you DO read RPGnet on a regular basis you can hardly call bullshit on the two I mentioned.

I've never seen the WFRP one. I have seen people say that you can run D&Dish games (dungeon crawls, lots of fighting, etc.) in the WFRP setting, but that's not what you had said.

As for the C&C one -- yes, I've seen this a couple times. But not nearly enough to make the generalization.

Plus, we all know that RPGnet = not representative of gamedom by a long shot. As such, I don't see how one website (but especially that one) can remotely be an accurate sample of what a game's fans claim a game can do.

Rezendevous · September 22, 2007, 11:15:25 PM

Quote from: walkerpI second your bullshit call. This is more an excuse to rant about people pushing their games inappropriately. It happens, but I'd say most fans of most systems are pretty realistic about what their systems can and can't do.

And that's true, there are certainly gamers who push games inappropriately. I won't argue that. But, as you said, it's not something the majority of a game's fans do.

laffingboy · September 22, 2007, 11:22:32 PM

DC Heroes: It handles low-powered supers and normal people just fine.

D6: Players enjoy rolling bucketfulls of dice and totaling them.

Star Wars 2nd Edition Revised and Expanded: The Jedi rules work great.

I've said all of these things, and I'll say 'em again. They're lies, but they comfort me.

grubman · September 22, 2007, 11:38:48 PM

Quote from: RezendevousI've never seen the WFRP one. I have seen people say that you can run D&Dish games (dungeon crawls, lots of fighting, etc.) in the WFRP setting, but that's not what you had said.

As for the C&C one -- yes, I've seen this a couple times. But not nearly enough to make the generalization.

Plus, we all know that RPGnet = not representative of gamedom by a long shot. As such, I don't see how one website (but especially that one) can remotely be an accurate sample of what a game's fans claim a game can do.

OK..wha?

Go over on RPGnet right now and post a thread asking for a good generic alternative to D&D and I bet someone will suggest WFRP within the first 2 pages.

Seriously, I've seen it dozens of times since the second ed has come out, and it gets me irritable every time.

Great game, but NOT genric by a long shot.

And the C&C one gets mentioned in almost every "sell me" thread about C&C. Hell, one of the regular C&C fans has it in his sig (Treebore I think).

grubman · September 22, 2007, 11:41:12 PM

Quote from: walkerpI second your bullshit call. This is more an excuse to rant about people pushing their games inappropriately. It happens, but I'd say most fans of most systems are pretty realistic about what their systems can and can't do.

I sort of think this is a fun thread, not one to bitch and rant. I've seen "fanboys" use a lot of these over and over in threads. Of course, the definition of "fanboy" is someone who is so in love with thier favorite game that they can't see any fault in it...so thier claims do tend to be a little over the top.

TheShadow · September 23, 2007, 12:15:44 AM

Quote from: grubmanCastles & Crusades: It's what D&D 3rd edition should have been! (I just hate it when people pull this line.)

This line is hardly a "lie", it's an opinion. Its proponents think C&C is more rules-light than 3e and retains more old-school flavour, while still having a contemporary unified mechanic. And they think that 3e should have hewed closer to that design philosophy. Maybe you prefer 3e, but I don't see why it gets you hot under the collar when others say they wished 3e had been more like C&C.

LeSquide · September 23, 2007, 12:33:32 AM

Quote from: RezendevousWho actually has said this about these games? Do you have links?

I read RPG.net often and post semi-frequently; Wushu has been recommened for just about everything actioney and a good deal of things that aren't, and I'm pretty sure many of its big fans have said just that.

That being said, I'm hard pressed to say what you couldn't run with Wushu (largely because the mechanics themselves are sparse and nonspecific.) Now, running things well is a much different story.

dar · September 23, 2007, 12:37:49 AM

The response lie: My response to your foul slander of this innocent and wonderful game is a well reasoned, calm and devastating blow to your obviously silly and hurtful post about the best damn game ever invented. Everyone agrees.

Koltar · September 23, 2007, 01:06:24 AM

Rezendevous - Lighten up dude.

Its a definite pattern on the Big Purple that the same 3 or 4 games get mentioned within 3 or 4 pages of each other in almost every thread that asks a variation of :

"Which system would you use for *BLAH* ?"

If you haven't noticed that you've been observant.

Oh - and I readily admit I've been one of the chorus that chimes in with "GURPS 4/ecould do that just fine!" -or- "GURPS 4/e would be the best RPG for that."

I'm guilty officer - So sue me - or just roll your three damn six siders and get under the number ... thank you.

- Ed C.