Incidentally, another player in Vincent 'Smutmeistro' Bakers game had this to say:-

QuoteI was comfortable with the brutality and sexual violence because I felt safe, and was able to keep my character as safe as I felt comfortable. I also trusted my fellow players and their characters to hurt Abyssinia with a reason.

Srsly. Titilation. No more than BDSM with a safe word. Jews getting people to dress up as nazis and call them naughty boys. British people getting people to dress up as nannys and call them naughty boys. I'm sure its fun, but noble and worthy it ain't.

Smore of a kink.

Quote from: walkerpOh I get it now.  People who disagree with you more than once are put on your ignore list.  That's a good technique.  That way you are always right once you respond to the first disagreement!

Also, I thought you weren't going to post here anymore?

...umm, one of the things about being on an ignore list is that he can't read what you're typing. You're kinda shouting at the wall there.

Quote from: walkerpLike you and your team of little gnomes baking cookies for an orphanage?

Something like that.

Quote from: ghost rat...umm, one of the things about being on an ignore list is that he can't read what you're typing. You're kinda shouting at the wall there.

I know.  A combo of being a bit annoyed at getting so summarily ignored, defending myself to the few stragglers still here and seeing if I could shout loud enough that he'd come out and see what the noise was.  He already did it once.  

And it's lame that he just jumps in, says his piece and then says, I'm outta here and I'm ignoring everyone who disagrees with me.

Quote from: walkerpOh I get it now.  People who disagree with you more than once are put on your ignore list.  That's a good technique.  That way you are always right once you respond to the first disagreement!?

Now we see the violence inherent in the system!

Quote from: walkerpAnd it's lame that he just jumps in, says his piece and then says, I'm outta here and I'm ignoring everyone who disagrees with me.

Dude.  This thread has gone on for 60 pages over the past 6 days...that's not exactly a half a page thread and then he pulls the ripcord.

Quote from: Erik BoielleDamnit! Now I'm never going to get him to admit he might have been mistaken about something (ANYTHING!)

Ah well, trying to get The Fifth to express an opinion of his own instead of parroting someone elses (about ANYTHING*) is probably gonna be more fun/challenging anyway.

*srsly dude. Whats your favorite flavor of icecream? And no you can't check with Ron first.

I like chocolate.  When I was living in Massachusetts, there was a flavor of Friendly's ice cream called grasshopper pie that I was particularly fond of.  Sadly, upon investigating the intarwebs, it doesn't appear to be in production anymore.

I've never spoken one-on-one with Ron Edwards, whether face-to-face or via email or whatever.  I've spoken a little bit with some other designers, but nothing face-to-face.  I don't post much at the Forge, but I spend time at Story-Games and RPGnet under the same handle, if anyone's interested in searching out my posting history.

What are you trying to convince me of, Erik?

By the way, just curious: were you banned from RPGnet or something?  I'm just wondering why you weren't addressing me over there instead of here, seeing as I didn't even have an account here until I registered today.

Quote from: fifth_childI like chocolate.  When I was living in Massachusetts, there was a flavor of Friendly's ice cream called grasshopper pie that I was particularly fond of.  Sadly, upon investigating the intarwebs, it doesn't appear to be in production anymore.

I've never spoken one-on-one with Ron Edwards, whether face-to-face or via email or whatever.  I've spoken a little bit with some other designers, but nothing face-to-face.  I don't post much at the Forge, but I spend time at Story-Games and RPGnet under the same handle, if anyone's interested in searching out my posting history.

What are you trying to convince me of, Erik?

By the way, just curious: were you banned from RPGnet or something?  I'm just wondering why you weren't addressing me over there instead of here, seeing as I didn't even have an account here until I registered today.

This is the only place where people can be assured of the right to speak freely.

Quote from: walkerpFrom my perspective, you guys are making a nearly identical judgement, saying someone's gameplay is objectively wrong on moral grounds.

I didn't say it was objectively wrong, did I?  But let's, for the sake of argument, say I did...

I'm comfortable with that judgement in this position.  I'm not telling someone they aren't really having fun.  I'm not telling someone the rules with which they seem to be having a grand old time are objectively bad or damaging the hobby (see Luke Crane on GM fiat). I'm not calling into question the fact that these folks appeared to have fun.

I'm saying if you think that's fun, you have bigger problems that need to be addressed.  That's a personal judgement on the folks in the AP and the designer who, apparently, designed the game for this very purpose.

To say we can't make a moral judgement on something is silly, and, honestly, not the same discussion at all.

Quote from: Abyssal MawThis is the only place where people can be assured of the right to speak freely.

And I got banned.

:-P

Quote from: James J SkachI didn't say it was objectively wrong, did I?  But let's, for the sake of argument, say I did...

You may not be, but many others are.

Quote from: James J SkachI'm saying if you think that's fun, you have bigger problems that need to be addressed.  That's a personal judgement on the folks in the AP and the designer who, apparently, designed the game for this very purpose.

And I'm saying it's okay to make the same personal judgement about people who play lame games.

Quote from: walkerpYou may not be, but many others are.

Right.  So please don't respond to my posts with their arguments.  I'm not making them.

Quote from: walkerpAnd I'm saying it's okay to make the same personal judgement about people who play lame games.

And that you don't see the difference is why we have such a disconnect.

Quote from: Abyssal MawThis is the only place where people can be assured of the right to speak freely.

We'll have to be content to disagree with one another on that count.

Honestly, I don't particularly like it here.  Not because I "can't take the heat" of someone saying that I should be strangled and such, but simply because if I can choose not to take part in a place where people insult myself and people I like pretty regularly, why shouldn't I do so?  However, unlike the thread at RPGnet where most people were jumping to conclusions without any knowledge of the text, it didn't seem like there was a single poster over here with any exposure to the game itself, even among those who weren't entirely critical of it.

So, I'm here to answer any actual questions about Poison'd, its text and mechanics, etc.  Maybe questions about other stuff, too, if I feel like it.

To Erik:  That explains it then.

Quote from: fifth_childbut simply because if I can choose not to take part in a place where people insult myself and people I like pretty regularly, why shouldn't I do so?

What a coincidence - that's why I don't go to the Forge (and one of the reasons I don't go to RPGNet).  Common ground - aint the Internet great!

Quote from: James J SkachWhat a coincidence - that's why I don't go to the Forge (and one of the reasons I don't go to RPGNet).  Common ground - aint the Internet great!

If you feel like you or your friends were insulted at the Forge, I'm not going to argue with your experience.  Something tells me nobody called you a fuckwad or said that you deserve to be strangled, though.

Quote from: fifth_childWe'll have to be content to disagree with one another on that count.

Honestly, I don't particularly like it here.  Not because I "can't take the heat" of someone saying that I should be strangled and such, but simply because if I can choose not to take part in a place where people insult myself and people I like pretty regularly, why shouldn't I do so?  However, unlike the thread at RPGnet where most people were jumping to conclusions without any knowledge of the text, it didn't seem like there was a single poster over here with any exposure to the game itself, even among those who weren't entirely critical of it.

So, I'm here to answer any actual questions about Poison'd, its text and mechanics, etc.  Maybe questions about other stuff, too, if I feel like it.

To Erik:  That explains it then.

IOW, the other salesmen and Forge Defence Force members weren't being effective anymore, so you've taken up the torch of preaching the gospel to us evil heathens.  Fuck off back to RPGnet where you belong, that shit isn't needed here.  

Clearly there's some people who wll bend over backwards just to defend any piece of filth and shit the Forge pumps out.  If the Pundit wants proof that there's an actual conflict going on, and some kind of ideological unity, he only need look to this thread and others like it.  And I say this as someone who's gone more than a few rounds with Pundit over the existence of a "war".  But frankly, ever since the Story-Games invasion here, the Luke Crane thread, TonyLB's bullshit "moderated Q&A", and now this, I'm becoming ever more of the opinion that he's really on to something here.  

Gleichman's summary was dead on.  This is just sad, desperate, Skarka's Law type boosterism at this point, a bunch of sad fuckers determined to defend a game in which raping and murdering a child makes your character more brave, simply because it was made by one of their ideological figureheads.