Forge Games- Having it both ways

The Yann Waters · September 05, 2007, 09:23:13 AM

Quote from: StuartYou could use this same argument for FATAL. It would be equally wrong.

FATAL has mind-numbingly detailed rules for rape and glorifies it as the natural thing to do, with no negative consequences for the perpetrator. Poison'd... doesn't.

Erik Boielle · September 05, 2007, 09:24:44 AM

I find this entertaining:-

http://jake-richmond.livejournal.com/17003.html

QuoteGoing back to my first concern, I do think that the article does a disservice to the community. We're portrayed as lo-brow and unsophisticated. The article is far from scathing, but it's enough to (I think) turn the readers of Portland Monthly away from gaming as an interest, pastime and artform. There's certainly nothing in the article that would make anyone want to try a game.

No offence, dude, but if you want to impress people for gods sake don't show them the book called panty explosion.

The common man judged them, and the common man said NERDSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

I can see it now:-

'See, it may look like we are sitting around at gen con talking about fisting cheerleaders with cheetos dropping off our guts, but really we are telling a touching story about an abusive family!

Guys! Guys! Where are you going guys!

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This is gonna be on the front page right?'

Blackleaf · September 05, 2007, 09:29:04 AM

Quote from: GrimGentPredictably, it will make you more brutal, which comes with natural penalties of its own. Every attribute represents a path that the character can take, with some advantages and many disadvantages. But during direct conflicts, in the absence of other factors, a pirate with Soul 6 and another with Brutality 6 are equal in ability.

Mechanically, that's like a character class / prestige class. "Rapist" shouldn't be a character option.

kregmosier · September 05, 2007, 09:29:32 AM

Quote from: Erik BoielleThe common man judged them, and the common man said NERDSSSSS!!!!!!!!!

Blackleaf · September 05, 2007, 09:30:23 AM

Quote from: GrimGentFATAL has mind-numbingly detailed rules for rape and glorifies it as the natural thing to do, with no negative consequences for the perpetrator. Poison'd... doesn't.

What is the negative consequences of being a rapist in Poison'd? Specialization isn't a negative consequence.

Blackleaf · September 05, 2007, 09:31:42 AM

Quote from: kregmosier

That's AWESOME! :haw:

RobNJ · September 05, 2007, 09:34:49 AM

Why is playing a game where characters rape being taken as an endorsement of this behavior, rather than an exploration of the tragedy of evil behavior?

On a related note: not all laughter--not even all boisterous laughter--connotes approval of the behavior being laughed at.

The Yann Waters · September 05, 2007, 09:35:12 AM

Quote from: StuartWhat is the negative consequences of being a rapist in Poison'd?

Permanently decreased efficiency in any action that depends on Soul. Also, being damned to Hell or a half-existence as a vengeful ghost once the character dies (which doesn't mean the end of the game).

Blackleaf · September 05, 2007, 09:37:12 AM

Quote from: GrimGentPermanently decreased efficiency in any action that depends on Soul. Also, being damned to Hell or a half-existence as a vengeful ghost once the character dies.

Choosing to be a Magic User permanently decreases your THAC0 progression. Players choose characters that are damned to Hell or half-existence as vengeful ghosts all the time. White Wolf has made entire games out of it. It's not a mechanical penalty at all. It's fluff.

Alnag · September 05, 2007, 09:37:59 AM

Quote from: GrimGentTheir sessions have included rape, and yes, I'd agree that those bits of APs could have done a much better job with representing the game to the public. Still, none of that comes from the text itself, but has been brought to the table by the players.

If it is not a product of the game itself then the game (and still it happens so often) than somehow special sort of people plays this game. The sort that will introduce rape into the game. How is it so? There must be something else that makes the game attractive for this sort of people which will just bring us back to where we begin - that the game produce (indirectly) rape.

I generally don't care about tool (rules) but outcome (experience, AP). The outcome is horrible. So whatever the tool is I am not impressed.

The Yann Waters · September 05, 2007, 09:42:33 AM

Quote from: StuartChoosing to be a Magic User permanently decreases your THAC0 progression.

Constantly, level after level, until he can be killed by a mosquito? In any case, since the attributes interlock with each other and never determine anything by themselves, losing your Soul affects more or less everything that you do. Sooner or later, that rapist simply won't be able to even understand properly how other people think.

Warthur · September 05, 2007, 09:48:55 AM

Quote from: GrimGentPermanently decreased efficiency in any action that depends on Soul. Also, being damned to Hell or a half-existence as a vengeful ghost once the character dies (which doesn't mean the end of the game).

Wait, being able to hang around and still interact with the party as a crazy ghost is a penalty in this system?

Unless you get to play your character in Heaven or Hell, I don't care which one my PC goes to. Once they're there, they're no longer in the game, and I can no longer play them: it's still a "loss" whichever way you cut it.

The Yann Waters · September 05, 2007, 09:55:05 AM

Quote from: WarthurWait, being able to hang around and still interact with the party as a crazy ghost is a penalty in this system?

When the alternative is hanging around as a guardian spirit, I'd say so, but mileage varies and all that. Actually, I'm not sure about the mechanic which determines whether the deceased character remains on Earth, and in what form. Ambition versus Brutality, perhaps?

Warthur · September 05, 2007, 10:03:08 AM

Quote from: GrimGentWhen the alternative is hanging around as a guardian spirit, I'd say so, but mileage varies and all that. Actually, I'm not sure about the mechanic which determines whether the deceased character remains on Earth, and in what form. Ambition versus Brutality, perhaps?

Either way, sticking around and getting to keep playing your character sounds like a sweeter deal than going to Heaven or Hell.

The Yann Waters · September 05, 2007, 10:05:36 AM

Quote from: WarthurEither way, sticking around and getting to keep playing your character sounds like a sweeter deal than going to Heaven or Hell.

There may be a way to keep influencing things even from the upstairs or the downstairs. Someone mentioned the possibility of becoming the "GM's Mate" when your character leaves play.