I'm sure a number of you have been following the drekfest over on Twitter involving the BrOSR. My few interactions with them have been a mixed bag. Harmony Ginger is pleasant, but a bunch of others have been, to be even remotely charitable, obnoxious a-holes. I hadn't ever heard the term Jeffrogaxian until just recently (hey, gimme some slack, I DO live under a rock). This term is, quite honestly, baffling. If the BrOSR zealots are right and 'this is how it was always played in 1EAD&D', then shouldn't it just be Gygaxian? How can something be 'the one true way' if it's an idea spun out from someone that wasn't involved in the creation or production of classic D&D? If its some new evolution, then shouldn't it just be Jeffronian D&D?

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on April 04, 2025, 08:27:16 PMI'm sure a number of you have been following the drekfest over on Twitter involving the BrOSR. My few interactions with them have been a mixed bag. Harmony Ginger is pleasant, but a bunch of others have been, to be even remotely charitable, obnoxious a-holes. I hadn't ever heard the term Jeffrogaxian until just recently (hey, gimme some slack, I DO live under a rock). This term is, quite honestly, baffling. If the BrOSR zealots are right and 'this is how it was always played in 1EAD&D', then shouldn't it just be Gygaxian? How can something be 'the one true way' if it's an idea spun out from someone that wasn't involved in the creation or production of classic D&D? If its some new evolution, then shouldn't it just be Jeffronian D&D?

Wut? Can you catch me up on what Jeffrogaxian is supposed to mean?

Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 04, 2025, 08:38:11 PMWut? Can you catch me up on what Jeffrogaxian is supposed to mean?

I think it's supposed to be the 'One True Way' that Gygax played AD&D and wrote into the rules as given by his Prophet Jeffro Johnson (or something like that, I'm not even sure).

I don't think that you are dealing with something intellectual with the BrOSR. It sounds more like a cult of personality centered around its leader.

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 04, 2025, 09:11:21 PMI don't think that you are dealing with something intellectual with the BrOSR. It sounds more like a cult of personality centered around its leader.

This. Who cares what that echo chamber rattles about? I just do my thing, undaunted by others, and am happy in my little world.

> If the BrOSR zealots are right and 'this is how it was always played in 1EAD&D', then shouldn't it just be Gygaxian?

Lol, that's a really great point.  If Jeffro is The Best Historian, then it's Gygaxian.  If Jeffro is The Guy With The Best Idea, then it's Jeffronian, as you say.  They have to hold two false assertions to both be true.  It's like something that can only exist as a result of some neural mistake, like that blue-yellow color.

The only reason I have even heard of the Brosr is Pundit's videos mentioning them.  I don't know who this Jeffro guy is beyond the name and I don't care what he has to say about anything.  He doesn't seem to really be any sort of authority on what Gygax did at his table and I don't particularly care about Gygax or what he did anyway.  From what I can tell, this is the OSR's tendency toward one-true-wayism cranked up to absurdity.   

Jeffrogygaxian is a sort of purist 1e ADnD. Gygax himself didn't even run 1e, he used a form of OD&D. However there are some play style elements of Gygax's style the BrOSR promote that are not always clear in the 1e DMG,like multiple play groups and downtime,and an assumption of 1:1 time. Gygax was not nearly as doctrinaire ofc.

Jeffro is a grifter and a liar, and uses Gygax to reinforce his own idiotic ideas about AD&D which were not how anyone actually played.
Most of the BroSR don't actually play D&D. They just enjoy being in an online community where they can brag about how tough they are and being a community where they feel safe to share how anti-semitic they are.

The awful thing is that Shadowdark's author recently said she thought they had interesting ideas. I'm guessing no one has told her about all the antisemitism and anti-gay diatribes by Jeffro. I tried, but she might have me muted, because like a lot of people she doesn't know who her real enemies are.

Seriously, if any of you have a good relationship with Kelsey Dionne, you should warn her. I can share (and have recently) on my X account MULTIPLE tweets expressing Jeffro's hatred of jews, gays, etc. And many of the BroSR only care about being in the BroSR because its a place they can feel safe to express how much they hate jews or other races.

She ought to be warned, because I'm guessing she doesn't know (because Jeffro is deceptive and hides that part as much as he can), and if she keeps associating with him it will eventually blow up in her face as soon as someone less nice than I am notices and wants to cause trouble for her.

So my latest interaction with the Bro's is "It's not attacking you if I say you never played AD&D cause you didn't run rule XYZ like we do or that I called you an asshole'. So I guess being a rude dickwad is just 'how some people are on the Internet and you shouldn't take it personally'.

Quote from: RPGPundit on April 05, 2025, 04:26:02 PMSeriously, if any of you have a good relationship with Kelsey Dionne, you should warn her. I can share (and have recently) on my X account MULTIPLE tweets expressing Jeffro's hatred of jews, gays, etc. And many of the BroSR only care about being in the BroSR because its a place they can feel safe to express how much they hate jews or other races.

She ought to be warned, because I'm guessing she doesn't know (because Jeffro is deceptive and hides that part as much as he can), and if she keeps associating with him it will eventually blow up in her face as soon as someone less nice than I am notices and wants to cause trouble for her.

Jew-haters blame anything and everything on the Jews. Their computer shut off out of nowhere? A Rabbi in New York used his kabbalistic magics to shut off his computer. He stubbed his toe on a rock in the middle of the sidewalk? A Jew placed it there using his Talmudic divining skills. He shit his pants? A Jew poisoned his non-kosher food using ancient tricks to destroy the goyim. So on and so forth.

These people would even blame Woke DND on Jews. 'The Jews imported infinite immigrants, following ancient instructions from (made up book) of the Talmud into the DND community for the sole purpose of undermining the Aryan DND community', says the Mexican born and raised in Mexico.

The mindset of these people is JEWJEWJEWJEWJEWJEWJEW... with occasional, if fleeting, interruptions of BLACKS or WOMEN or GAYS. They live for Jews. They live despite Jews. They need the Jews. But the Jews do not need them.

From what I understand, Jeffro has retired from the BROSR.
And the new leadership is trying to rebrand themselves in order to become less antagonistic.

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on April 05, 2025, 09:17:10 PMSo I guess being a rude dickwad is just 'how some people are on the Internet and you shouldn't take it personally'.

Are you new here?

Quote from: RPGPundit on April 05, 2025, 03:28:57 PMJeffro is a grifter and a liar, and uses Gygax to reinforce his own idiotic ideas about AD&D which were not how anyone actually played.
Most of the BroSR don't actually play D&D. They just enjoy being in an online community where they can brag about how tough they are and being a community where they feel safe to share how anti-semitic they are.

The awful thing is that Shadowdark's author recently said she thought they had interesting ideas. I'm guessing no one has told her about all the antisemitism and anti-gay diatribes by Jeffro. I tried, but she might have me muted, because like a lot of people she doesn't know who her real enemies are.

Greetings!

I'm guessing that Kelsey was simply being diplomatic, and polite. Kelsey is strictly professional, and obviously works hard to cultivate gamers and fans--and while not being offensive to anyone or getting sucked into wallowing in the mud with trolls. Kelsey seems to place a very high priority on her game books being accessible and enjoyable for anyone and everyone. Kelsey is not interested in arguing controversial subjects that have nothing to do with gaming in general, and more importantly, her business, her products, and her reputation as a professional writer and game designer.

That's my impression.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK