Quote from: Ruprecht on February 10, 2025, 01:24:02 PMThe video takes the thing out of context and comes off as rather forced and stupid.

Very. I really like most of his other animations. I might not agree with some of his interpretations. But it was still entertaining most of the time.

This though was just mean spirited virtue signalling.

I dropped Lindybeige for similar reasons after he did a video calling out some LARP because they did not like a tall "POC" wanting to play a short pale skinned dwarf... That and his incessant ragging on initiative. Hilariously pathetic when his "proof" video of how theres no such thing as initiative clearly showed the combatants making their attacks at different moments during engagement.

Quote from: Omega on February 10, 2025, 02:47:45 PMI dropped Lindybeige for similar reasons after he did a video calling out some LARP because they did not like a tall "POC" wanting to play a short pale skinned dwarf

Funny, Lloyd usually gets attacked from the Left for eg accepting that there are sex differences between male & female psychology.

I stopped listening when he said "1e AD&D". Immediately knew he had no idea what he was talking about.

Kind of a moment where you realize how much older you are than these people, and how they are discussing things they don't really understand, lol. Or sigh.  Maybe both?

Quote from: Two Crows on February 25, 2025, 04:19:29 PMI stopped listening when he said "1e AD&D".

I call it something similar (I usually call it AD&D 1e or first edition). 

This is because when "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons 2nd Edition" came out, it retroactively made what came before into first edition.  You can trivially find anyone referring to as such once 2nd edition was out.  I picked a random month in the year after 2e came out, found a dragon magazine from that time (Dragon magazine 156) and looked for uses of "edition".  Sure enough we can find TSR themselves referring to it as such.  It's a joke reply, but the citing of book title and page number is not. 

"The AD&D 1st Edition Dungeon Masters Guide has a useful harlot encounters table on page 192..."

There's plenty of other usage in just that one magazine discussing the differences between 1st and 2nd edition, and calling them that.  That's how the editions are distinguished.

So there's decades of precedence for calling AD&D 1e, exactly that.

In Cyberpunk 2020, a certain failed painter is used as an example of high scores in both "Charismatic Leadership" and "Persuasion & Fast Talk".  Am I supposed to believe Mike Pondsmith has dangerous views?

Quote from: Venka on February 25, 2025, 05:40:39 PM

Quote from: Two Crows on February 25, 2025, 04:19:29 PMI stopped listening when he said "1e AD&D".

I call it something similar (I usually call it AD&D 1e or first edition). 

This is because when "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons 2nd Edition" came out, it retroactively made what came before into first edition.  You can trivially find anyone referring to as such once 2nd edition was out.  I picked a random month in the year after 2e came out, found a dragon magazine from that time (Dragon magazine 156) and looked for uses of "edition".  Sure enough we can find TSR themselves referring to it as such.  It's a joke reply, but the citing of book title and page number is not. 

"The AD&D 1st Edition Dungeon Masters Guide has a useful harlot encounters table on page 192..."

There's plenty of other usage in just that one magazine discussing the differences between 1st and 2nd edition, and calling them that.  That's how the editions are distinguished.

So there's decades of precedence for calling AD&D 1e, exactly that.

By decades, I assume you mean 2000-something onward?

Because nobody called it "1e", ever, before 3e.  Possibly before the OSR.

AD&D, D&D, 1st Edition, and others ... but never "1e". And that is how I know the commentator wasn't involved during the era he wants to comment on.

But thank you for trying to offer education, even if it was misapplied.

Quote from: Two Crows on February 25, 2025, 07:49:34 PM

Quote from: Venka on February 25, 2025, 05:40:39 PM

Quote from: Two Crows on February 25, 2025, 04:19:29 PMI stopped listening when he said "1e AD&D".

I call it something similar (I usually call it AD&D 1e or first edition). 

This is because when "Advanced Dungeons and Dragons 2nd Edition" came out, it retroactively made what came before into first edition.  You can trivially find anyone referring to as such once 2nd edition was out.  I picked a random month in the year after 2e came out, found a dragon magazine from that time (Dragon magazine 156) and looked for uses of "edition".  Sure enough we can find TSR themselves referring to it as such.  It's a joke reply, but the citing of book title and page number is not. 

"The AD&D 1st Edition Dungeon Masters Guide has a useful harlot encounters table on page 192..."

There's plenty of other usage in just that one magazine discussing the differences between 1st and 2nd edition, and calling them that.  That's how the editions are distinguished.

So there's decades of precedence for calling AD&D 1e, exactly that.

By decades, I assume you mean 2000-something onward?

Because nobody called it "1e", ever, before 3e.  Possibly before the OSR.

AD&D, D&D, 1st Edition, and others ... but never "1e". And that is how I know the commentator wasn't involved during the era he wants to comment on.

But thank you for trying to offer education, even if it was misapplied.

It probably has more to do with being faster to type 1E rather than first edition. Everyone typed 1E, regardless of when they started playing. Pretty much nobody actually said, "Three E," or, "Four E," because those don't really roll off the tongue. However, people actually did say, "Five E," in conversation, and after ten years of that, it's caught on for other editions.

But you know, whatever makes you feel special.

Quote from: Two Crows on February 25, 2025, 07:49:34 PMAD&D, D&D, 1st Edition, and others

When I got started way back when, the question from all the gamers I knew was "Do you play Basic or Advanced?"

Then 2nd Edition came out and it changed to "Do you play First Edition or Second Edition?" Basic just dried up and blew away.

For me they will always be known as Basic, First Edition, Second Edition, 3.5, 4th, and "the latest one".

Greetings!

Hmmm..."AD&D", "1E", "1E AD&D"--it's all the same to me. I don't care. Lindybeige seems like a cool guy. I've seen a few of his programs.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK