Quote from: Zenoguy3 on February 04, 2025, 01:12:27 PMYea, BGG is good for finding stuff like community made manuals and reference sheets. I never bother with its forums or reviews, aside from getting a general overview from its scoring system.

Finding RPGs on the RPG side is a mess because they have no slue what an RPG even is and the database is a mire of individual articles and convoluted structure for even finding what you want. And you will not find it if the staff censors it.

Searching for board games is -mostly- ok.

Quote from: Reckall on February 04, 2025, 09:44:50 AMI never saw "shady" in wargames, which is what I use BBG the most. Of the other games I play (mostly Arkham Horror LCG, Lord of the Rings LCG, Journeys in Middle-earth, and Mansions of Madness 2E)

Its there, just behind the curtain more. BGG will doctor a games rating if you grease a few palms. And they can, and have multiple times, given an older games ratings to a new edition "because they are the same game!" yeah right. How much did they bribe you this time BGG?

Its alot like RPG.net. I've been on there for a really long time and never had any trouble.

1) Apparently Hârn has gone woke, if gay dwarves, increasing amount of boss babes, progressive
   views on inclusivity, along with anti-conservatism counts. All of the writers/artists are
   freelancers, though CGI approves of this by publishing that stuff. The fanatic fandom is starting
   to get pissed off, bit by bit.

   CGI should likely be atleast on yellow, the product line is not saturated enough to be on red, yet.

   You can make your own conclusions, before the post is removed, this just the tip of the iceberg, mind you;

   Lythia forum post

2) I do not know about Kelestia Productions since they have different writers, though the boss babe
   energy is strong in the latest HarnMaster Kethira.

3) Also, UNI Games is not listed, the current license holder for Tekumel products, it should be on
   red.

The owner of BGG banned me for life, because there was a forum thread on "nudity in early RPG games."  All I did was make a joke: "I just came here to see the pictures".  I was banned from posting for 3 days. 

I noticed during my posting suspension that people were posting fringe left-wing politics in non-political forums, a violation of the policy (they took the political forums down since pro-freedom people were also able to make points that can be seen).  They were real violators, and yet not being banned.  Anyway, Octavius, Michael M whoever is his real name, said, "reporting violations is also a violation" (exact quote), and "I decide if a topic is political," (It was very political), and inexplicably banned me for life.  It was inexplicably, because the reasoning made no logical sense.

Quote from: Angry Goblin on February 05, 2025, 11:00:59 AM1) Apparently Hârn has gone woke, if gay dwarves, increasing amount of boss babes, progressive
   views on inclusivity, along with anti-conservatism counts. All of the writers/artists are
   freelancers, though CGI approves of this by publishing that stuff. The fanatic fandom is starting
   to get pissed off, bit by bit.

   CGI should likely be atleast on yellow, the product line is not saturated enough to be on red, yet.

Sad news about Harn. Bought the map and supplements back in the olden times and have always enjoyed using it as a setting. The system was a convoluted mess but the detailed maps and medieval atmosphere was nice.

Modiphius also publishes the English version of The Troubleshooters and while it's a neat little system for innocent cartoon-style adventures, it does slip in endorsement of NATO, rewrites world history, and has a campaign based around a sunken Nazi U-boat. I'd say their 'red' categorization is appropriate, if not only to have a heads-up that they obviously have political commentary they wish to push alongside even their more innocent games.

Bundle of Holding's latest bundle is the "Resistance Bundle", titled "Punch Nazis!", which all seems very TDS given the timing. The charity is pro-Palestine.

Quote from: Krazz on February 05, 2025, 05:08:17 PMBundle of Holding's latest bundle is the "Resistance Bundle", titled "Punch Nazis!", which all seems very TDS given the timing. The charity is pro-Palestine.

I looked at the Bundle of Holding website

we need a new classification of red for them

Quote from: Angry Goblin on February 05, 2025, 11:00:59 AM1) Apparently Hârn has gone woke, if gay dwarves, increasing amount of boss babes, progressive
   views on inclusivity, along with anti-conservatism counts. All of the writers/artists are
   freelancers, though CGI approves of this by publishing that stuff. The fanatic fandom is starting
   to get pissed off, bit by bit.

   CGI should likely be atleast on yellow, the product line is not saturated enough to be on red, yet.

   You can make your own conclusions, before the post is removed, this just the tip of the iceberg, mind you;

   Lythia forum post

2) I do not know about Kelestia Productions since they have different writers, though the boss babe
   energy is strong in the latest HarnMaster Kethira.

3) Also, UNI Games is not listed, the current license holder for Tekumel products, it should be on
   red.

So, CGI said all that? Nope. Did you read what you linked to? The people posting are just people posting.

Quote from: Jason Coplen on February 05, 2025, 08:56:05 PM

Quote from: Angry Goblin on February 05, 2025, 11:00:59 AM1) Apparently Hârn has gone woke, if gay dwarves, increasing amount of boss babes, progressive
   views on inclusivity, along with anti-conservatism counts. All of the writers/artists are
   freelancers, though CGI approves of this by publishing that stuff. The fanatic fandom is starting
   to get pissed off, bit by bit.

   CGI should likely be atleast on yellow, the product line is not saturated enough to be on red, yet.

   You can make your own conclusions, before the post is removed, this just the tip of the iceberg, mind you;

   Lythia forum post

2) I do not know about Kelestia Productions since they have different writers, though the boss babe
   energy is strong in the latest HarnMaster Kethira.

3) Also, UNI Games is not listed, the current license holder for Tekumel products, it should be on
   red.

So, CGI said all that? Nope. Did you read what you linked to? The people posting are just people posting.

I understand your reaction, though like I mentioned in my OP, this is just the tip of the iceberg, there is a ton more of where it came from. Part of it is inside info, which wont be "in the headlines". Since you seem to be a Harniac yourself, ask around and you'll see, you don't have to take my word for it.

CGI markets Harn as "the most medieval fantasy RPG", this has stopped being the case a while back.

IMO, the fandom should react to this early on, so that CGI has time to change their course before they do something they cannot undo. I am of course sympathetic to the company, it is a small one after all and likely will be hit hard if a proper shitstorm arises.

QuoteSad news about Harn. Bought the map and supplements back in the olden times and have always enjoyed using it as a setting. The system was a convoluted mess but the detailed maps and medieval atmosphere was nice.

It is still amazing, I hope the tide turns soon..

Quote from: Angry Goblin on February 05, 2025, 09:55:27 PM

Quote from: Jason Coplen on February 05, 2025, 08:56:05 PM

Quote from: Angry Goblin on February 05, 2025, 11:00:59 AM1) Apparently Hârn has gone woke, if gay dwarves, increasing amount of boss babes, progressive
   views on inclusivity, along with anti-conservatism counts. All of the writers/artists are
   freelancers, though CGI approves of this by publishing that stuff. The fanatic fandom is starting
   to get pissed off, bit by bit.

   CGI should likely be atleast on yellow, the product line is not saturated enough to be on red, yet.

   You can make your own conclusions, before the post is removed, this just the tip of the iceberg, mind you;

   Lythia forum post

2) I do not know about Kelestia Productions since they have different writers, though the boss babe
   energy is strong in the latest HarnMaster Kethira.

3) Also, UNI Games is not listed, the current license holder for Tekumel products, it should be on
   red.

So, CGI said all that? Nope. Did you read what you linked to? The people posting are just people posting.

I understand your reaction, though like I mentioned in my OP, this is just the tip of the iceberg, there is a ton more of where it came from. Part of it is inside info, which wont be "in the headlines". Since you seem to be a Harniac yourself, ask around and you'll see, you don't have to take my word for it.

CGI markets Harn as "the most medieval fantasy RPG", this has stopped being the case a while back.

IMO, the fandom should react to this early on, so that CGI has time to change their course before they do something they cannot undo. I am of course sympathetic to the company, it is a small one after all and likely will be hit hard if a proper shitstorm arises.

So having purchased and given a quick run through, but no careful reading, of all the CGI products for the past two years... I haven't seen evidence of what you are alleging. Please point me in the direction of the products where these issues have occurred.

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with CGI nor have I contributed to any of their products. Just a fan from the early days with a Harn Quest subscription.

Quote from: Krazz on February 05, 2025, 05:08:17 PMBundle of Holding's latest bundle is the "Resistance Bundle", titled "Punch Nazis!", which all seems very TDS given the timing. The charity is pro-Palestine.

  While Allen Varney has made no secret of his progressive politics, he hasn't been obnoxious about it in my experience. In any case, the Bundle charities are, I believe, usually chosen by the designers. I'd judge them on a case by case basis.

Quote from: swzl on February 06, 2025, 07:15:19 AM

Quote from: Angry Goblin on February 05, 2025, 09:55:27 PM

Quote from: Jason Coplen on February 05, 2025, 08:56:05 PM

Quote from: Angry Goblin on February 05, 2025, 11:00:59 AM1) Apparently Hârn has gone woke, if gay dwarves, increasing amount of boss babes, progressive
  views on inclusivity, along with anti-conservatism counts. All of the writers/artists are
  freelancers, though CGI approves of this by publishing that stuff. The fanatic fandom is starting
  to get pissed off, bit by bit.

  CGI should likely be atleast on yellow, the product line is not saturated enough to be on red, yet.

  You can make your own conclusions, before the post is removed, this just the tip of the iceberg, mind you;

  Lythia forum post

2) I do not know about Kelestia Productions since they have different writers, though the boss babe
  energy is strong in the latest HarnMaster Kethira.

3) Also, UNI Games is not listed, the current license holder for Tekumel products, it should be on
  red.

So, CGI said all that? Nope. Did you read what you linked to? The people posting are just people posting.

I understand your reaction, though like I mentioned in my OP, this is just the tip of the iceberg, there is a ton more of where it came from. Part of it is inside info, which wont be "in the headlines". Since you seem to be a Harniac yourself, ask around and you'll see, you don't have to take my word for it.

CGI markets Harn as "the most medieval fantasy RPG", this has stopped being the case a while back.

IMO, the fandom should react to this early on, so that CGI has time to change their course before they do something they cannot undo. I am of course sympathetic to the company, it is a small one after all and likely will be hit hard if a proper shitstorm arises.

So having purchased and given a quick run through, but no careful reading, of all the CGI products for the past two years... I haven't seen evidence of what you are alleging. Please point me in the direction of the products where these issues have occurred.

Disclaimer: I am not affiliated with CGI nor have I contributed to any of their products. Just a fan from the early days with a Harn Quest subscription.

A shame, I would have been glad if you would have been affiliated with CGI, actually. I would
have never though I´d end up bringing this up regarding Harn, of all games, though here we are.

To be honest and not trying to sound sarcastic, I haven´t made a list of the stuff I refer to,
my intention was mainly to bring this up for others to follow the rabbit hole, if they are so
inclined. Though having monitored (me, among other fans) the development for some time,
with both the published material in mind, posts in Lythia forum, YouTube interviews etc.
a change has occured, which came approximately during the time of the new hardbacks,
possibly to make the setting open for larger audience, this is just speculation though.
It is not overt, as no political declarations have been given, CGI is not the author of the
material after all. I am not sure whether CGI even reads all of it before publishing it,
they are quite busy from what I understand. One Kickstarter campaign after another.

However, to start with, the liberal attitude is evident in the linked post, as most of the
writers were contributing to it. As far as I know, the conservatives are a minority. As the
chief editor himself wrote in the linked post, there have been complaints already towards the
dramatic increase of female business owners and power brokers. Also, the trend for
including more fighter-type females is increasing. Is there a quota we aren´t told about,
who knows? I doubt that CGI has the resources to handle the inevitable blowback, thus I
want to stay sceptical for now for them being the initiator. Even so, the gender inclusivity
is showing, there is little doubt about that.

The female business owners are present in just about all the articles from the past few years,
I cannot tell you what the percentage of the increase is, though it is noticable regardless.
For the fighter-types, there are for example the recent Parnam and Hyen Keep articles. I am
afraid I lack the time for extensive detective work, though.

Of course, you can make your own mind where you draw the line regarding the rising trend.
When it is too much for your taste, is up to you. Though, if I can give a suggestion, keep
this conversation in mind.

Now sure about CGI, but an owner or its employees just having leftist views, or expressing them isn't what makes a company woke.  A company is woke if it does one or more of the following:

- infuses propaganda into their products (Coyote & Crow)
- censors/discriminates in the name of DEI (D&D/Wizards)
- attacks people who think differently (Cards against Humanity)
- promotes real-life violence against people for their beliefs (Comrades), or
- Donates profits to woke causes (Bundle of holding)