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"Could You Play D&D With A Leftist?"

Started by RPGPundit, January 30, 2025, 05:43:26 PM

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After a bunch of social media posts and videos asking "could you play D&D with a Trump supporter?", I've decided to talk about the other side of the argument. And watch the end, where I talk about the real problem: a leftist DM!
 

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I could if they kept their real world politics out of the game world.  I'd still keep a very close eye though on my in game gold pieces and magic items regardless...

Man at Arms

I'd play with anyone, who left that mess out of the game.  They can argue with someone else, later.

Ratman_tf

In theory, yes. In practice, I find my leftist, progressive friends tiresome. Whenever casual talk wanders into political topics, I tune them out. It's all TDS and "Conservatives are Nootzies!" nonsense.
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If they keep political discussions out of the game, sure.  Probably only on a temporary basis though, like at a convention.  I don't want to have to walk on eggshells all the time and worry about proper pronouns and all that shit while I'm trying to relax and game, or worry if stuff like slavery or spiders or their other mental issues are going to trigger a panic episode.  I've tried having friends like that, and they ALWAYS play hall monitor with what you say and do. 
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Chris24601

There are plenty of people who call themselves Leftists I game with. However, none of them live like Leftists and would probably be called Nazis for being insufficiently woke.

Worth noting is that I live in a part of the country so politically conservative that the last Democrat mayor was Pro-Life and put down the attempt at riot in 2020 after the first window was broken (and left the arrestees in the city-county lockup over the weekend before having them arraigned); so what counts as Far Left here in general would probably be Far Right on the coasts.

As such, playing with a "Leftist" here is probably akin to playing with a Democrat in the Clinton years in terms of obnoxiousness.

Brad

Watched the video...(well, listened to it running). A few years ago I gamed with a dude quite frequently who was literally head of the socialist party in the state. We never had any issues, but now? He has seemed to go off the deep end. TDS is real.
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M2A0

#7
Half my Star Wars group are Trumpers, for the sake of decades long friendships and the good of the game we don't talk politics at the table. We also know most the stupid culture war rpg stuff that gets argued about online is at best ill informed, half the table also worked at WotC for +/- full decades, so the idea of fucking up campaigns over real world culture war is ridiculous.

Of all things, it's the 80's Reagan BS of the welfare queen that made them into conservatives, and it didn't take effect upon them until middle age, just bizarre. Gamers are weirdos though.

 

Steven Mitchell

I've played with people of all kinds of politics, including some that are far left.  As long as they keep it out of the game, I'm fine with just about anyone at a neutral site.  I don't, however, tend to invite leftists into my home.

The other caveat is that there are plenty of leftists that would never play in a game that I run--what with not catering to their pet causes and all. 

Final OTOH, is that it is rare for me to meet anyone more conservative than me who is also interested in gaming.  Know plenty that meet that criteria who simply aren't interested in games.  So despite my strong streak of classical liberalism, usually everyone in the game is to my left, at least a little.

Acres Wild

#9
Don't care who you voted for, just show up, participate and keep real world politics out of the game. There is a time and place for everything and if a person can't go a couple of hours without talking politics then perhaps they need to re-evaluate their priorities or at least find a new game.

yosemitemike

I do it every week.  My players are mature enough to not make everything they do about their pet political causes.  The ones that can't do that aren't my players any more.
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Kyle Aaron

Sure, why not, I've even played with a vegan.
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Shteve

I can (and do) - but they happen to be good friends and we don't tend to bring up religion and politics, generally. I wouldn't if they were some rando, though.
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jhkim

Yeah, I live in the SF Bay Area which is very concentrated with leftists, and don't have problems playing with them. I don't have problems playing with conservatives, either.

Specifically, when Pundit talks about GMing by what most progressives are in the U.S. today

Quote from: RPGPunditIf you're talking about a postmodern leftist... if you're talking about someone who's like what most progressives in the United States are today
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They can't understand the nature of of symbolism. They can't understand the nature of myth. They can't understand the hero's journey, and what little they can grasp of it makes them think that it's bad.
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You really have to do an enormous effort which is what has happened in our society to train people to the opposite. You have to to deeply indoctrinate them to break away from this idea of understanding symbol and understanding myth because because that is something that is inherent to humanity all of our all the myths throughout the world derived from these same origins.

What strikes me is that this sounds bizarrely similar to Ron Edwards' infamous "brain damage" rant where he claims that humans have a natural understanding of story - but that White Wolf RPGs damaged the capacity of players to understand it.

http://indie-rpgs.com/archive/index.php?topic=18707.0

Edwards even similarly takes aim at postmodernism as "errant garbage".

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Personally, I don't find there's any connection between someone's politics and their understanding of myth or story. People's personality and politics will show in their stories, but there can be great stories of many different styles.

I'm also partial to the work of some postmodern authors like Philip K. Dick and Neil Gaiman, say.

jeff37923

Could I?   Yes.

Would I want to?   No.

Past experience has shown me that the same brain damage that makes someone a Leftist, also makes them very poor role-playing gamers.
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