Quote from: Socratic-DM on January 19, 2025, 09:31:10 PMgiven all of the major studies, Chaosium, Green Ronin, WOTC, Piazo,  are all Left-wing, so not many Right-Wing examples as they tend to be indie and thus don't want to lose an audience.

"Right-wing" publisher here.  I don't behave like this not because I don't want to lose an audience.  I know my particular game isn't for everyone.  If you buy it, that's great.  If not, that's great, too.  Naturally, I'd love to have everyone who discovers Radical High to drop everything and purchase it immediately, but the actual reason I don't put anti-woke in my games is that people who make non-woke games don't have anything to prove.  The games aren't a vehicle for an ideological agenda.  Instead, they're what they're supposed to be: for thrills.

It's a whole different mindset.  Non-woke people just don't have the time for these kind of games.  We'd rather enjoy the RPG type.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 19, 2025, 11:01:04 PM

Quote from: Socratic-DM on January 19, 2025, 09:31:10 PMgiven all of the major studies, Chaosium, Green Ronin, WOTC, Piazo,  are all Left-wing, so not many Right-Wing examples as they tend to be indie and thus don't want to lose an audience.

"Right-wing" publisher here.  I don't behave like this not because I don't want to lose an audience.  I know my particular game isn't for everyone.  If you buy it, that's great.  If not, that's great, too.  Naturally, I'd love to have everyone who discovers Radical High to drop everything and purchase it immediately, but the actual reason I don't put anti-woke in my games is that people who make non-woke games don't have anything to prove.  The games aren't a vehicle for an ideological agenda.  Instead, they're what they're supposed to be: for thrills.

It's a whole different mindset.  Non-woke people just don't have the time for these kind of games.  We'd rather enjoy the RPG type.

I literally wrote this exact thing 5 posts or so ago.

"Now what makes it more tolerable in Right-Wing circles is they don't exclude people, they simply state "if you like this product buy it, if not, don't" simple as, and they have a path of redemption, you can actually walk back statements and be forgiven. but it doesn't make it any less performative, and they can also get preachy in their own way."

Nobody is accusing you of being a partisan hack. I'm conservative, but I'm not going pretend the political pendulum can't possibly swing the other way. and this entire stupid argument was born over me thinking woke is an overused term.

Quote from: Socratic-DM on January 19, 2025, 09:31:10 PMthough in full honesty I haven't seen this from  right leaning creators

So you haven't seen it either.

The real difference has always been that the "right" doesn't care and just don't want stuff shoved down their throats, while the "left" can't help but virtue signal and say how XYZ is bad because marginalized people so they need to "fix" their hypothetical Dark Ages European setting to have blacks everywhere and not treat being gay as a sin, and if you think that's wrong because it's not historically accurate you're a bigot and they don't want you to buy their game, and furthermore they don't want you in the hobby at all and wish they could black list you entirely for disagreeing.

I have never once seen any "right-wing" game or creator be as openly hostile as the left is when it comes to anything. The sheer fact that the left treats the statement of "no politics" as meaning "no minorities, LGBT people, or women" speaks volumes to how delusionally brainwashed they are. The left are completely compromised as far as their views to where not only do they not get that they are the ones who act like "fascists" by taking an "with us or against us" approach, but they go so far as to justify that attitude towards people who, ultimately, just say "I don't want to be preached to about modern day diversity and inclusion propaganda"

I went to rpgnet to see the DJT tears yesterday.  sadly they ignored the whole thing, but their view on the piazo kerfluffle is that,

"its a few double digit subscriber right wing channels who need clickbait over a nothing statement"

they have no idea why the topic came up.

+1 to Nobleshields comment.

I'm surprised.  The last time I went there years ago they had 3-4 pop up far left propaganda balloon disclaimers above the actual forum content that you had to close to get more than half the screen real estate back on a typical computer screen.

Every complaint to the left is always dismissed as "a few alt-right fans". See videogames, board games, RPGs, etc. they deflect any criticism because they actually agree with it and don't see how "anyone" could not agree that "fascists have no place in anything, ever". The fact they use "fascist" as a catch-all to anyone not agreeing with left-wing politics is completely lost on them.

Quote from: Nobleshield on January 21, 2025, 08:28:08 AMThe real difference has always been that the "right" doesn't care and just don't want stuff shoved down their throats, while the "left" can't help but virtue signal and say how XYZ is bad

The RPG forum here is filled with right-leaning posts about how XYZ is bad -- especially how someone saw on social media that game book XYZ (that they don't own or play) has a bad illustration on page 147.

It's far more political here than my local left-leaning gaming circles, which mostly talk about the games they are playing or want to play - not about games they think are bad.

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Quote from: Nobleshield on January 21, 2025, 08:28:08 AMThe real difference has always been that the "right" doesn't care and just don't want stuff shoved down their throats, while the "left" can't help but virtue signal and say how XYZ is bad

The RPG forum here is filled with right-leaning posts about how XYZ is bad -- especially how someone saw on social media that game book XYZ (that they don't own or play) has a bad illustration on page 147.

It's far more political here than my local left-leaning gaming circles, which mostly talk about the games they are playing or want to play - not about games they think are bad.

So people who are catered to complain less than those who are castigated and excluded?

That's a head scratcher.

Quote from: Krazz on January 21, 2025, 04:43:42 PMSo people who are catered to complain less than those who are castigated and excluded?

That's a head scratcher.

Look, pointing out stupidity in gaming that literally is undermining the whole point of the hobby is not valid. Just take your Marxist indoctrination like a man (or woman, oops, sorry xir!) and shut up.

Quote from: jhkim on January 21, 2025, 04:06:18 PMThe RPG forum here is filled with right-leaning posts about how XYZ is bad -- especially how someone saw on social media that game book XYZ (that they don't own or play) has a bad illustration on page 147.

It's far more political here than my local left-leaning gaming circles, which mostly talk about the games they are playing or want to play - not about games they think are bad.

This is a forum that specifically allows that discussion where others like reddit and rpgnet go out of their way to delete threads and ban people who mention it.  That such discussions then happen here in one of the few places it's not a one-way banhammer ticket is not something that should be surprising.  Absent the pressuring factor of only being able to mention things here, the conversation topics would be more varied.

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Quote from: jhkim on January 21, 2025, 04:06:18 PMThe RPG forum here is filled with right-leaning posts about how XYZ is bad -- especially how someone saw on social media that game book XYZ (that they don't own or play) has a bad illustration on page 147.

It's far more political here than my local left-leaning gaming circles, which mostly talk about the games they are playing or want to play - not about games they think are bad.

This is a forum that specifically allows that discussion where others like reddit and rpgnet go out of their way to delete threads and ban people who mention it.  That such discussions then happen here in one of the few places it's not a one-way banhammer ticket is not something that should be surprising.  Absent the pressuring factor of only being able to mention things here, the conversation topics would be more varied.

He knows this.  He's just trying to manufacture a moral equivalency between the left's authoritarian view on RPGs and the rest of us, who just want politics out of our games.

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Quote from: Valatar on January 22, 2025, 07:08:44 AM

Quote from: jhkim on January 21, 2025, 04:06:18 PMThe RPG forum here is filled with right-leaning posts about how XYZ is bad -- especially how someone saw on social media that game book XYZ (that they don't own or play) has a bad illustration on page 147.

It's far more political here than my local left-leaning gaming circles, which mostly talk about the games they are playing or want to play - not about games they think are bad.

This is a forum that specifically allows that discussion where others like reddit and rpgnet go out of their way to delete threads and ban people who mention it.  That such discussions then happen here in one of the few places it's not a one-way banhammer ticket is not something that should be surprising.  Absent the pressuring factor of only being able to mention things here, the conversation topics would be more varied.

He knows this.  He's just trying to manufacture a moral equivalency between the left's authoritarian view on RPGs and the rest of us, who just want politics out of our games.

Second it's just JHKiM being his usual disingenuous self.

" stepping on a live landline is dangerous..are you sure?" Is what one can expect from him.

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Quote from: Eirikrautha on January 22, 2025, 08:57:51 AM

Quote from: Valatar on January 22, 2025, 07:08:44 AM

Quote from: jhkim on January 21, 2025, 04:06:18 PMThe RPG forum here is filled with right-leaning posts about how XYZ is bad -- especially how someone saw on social media that game book XYZ (that they don't own or play) has a bad illustration on page 147.

It's far more political here than my local left-leaning gaming circles, which mostly talk about the games they are playing or want to play - not about games they think are bad.

This is a forum that specifically allows that discussion where others like reddit and rpgnet go out of their way to delete threads and ban people who mention it.  That such discussions then happen here in one of the few places it's not a one-way banhammer ticket is not something that should be surprising.  Absent the pressuring factor of only being able to mention things here, the conversation topics would be more varied.

He knows this.  He's just trying to manufacture a moral equivalency between the left's authoritarian view on RPGs and the rest of us, who just want politics out of our games.

Second it's just JHKiM being his usual disingenuous self.

" stepping on a live landline is dangerous..are you sure?" Is what one can expect from him.

So I point out the blazingly obvious fact that there are a ton of political posts here, and that's me speaking crazy talk?

I suppose I can expect that. When I say "people should be divided into two sexes: male and female" and "boys have a penis, girls have a vagina" -- then conservative posters here scream at how wrong I am, and how gender actually complicated. It seems like whatever I say, some posters will twist themselves into knots over how it's wrong.

Yeah...no

You don't get to play the poor pity victim of any sort especially when you know the obvious answer, then try to pass it off as a fake disingenuous Mr Magoo clueless act.

I'm not saying don't ever question or accept everything and anything as fact.

Sometimes it's just objectively factual and your constant "yah but " gets tiresome.