Piazo's recent fascist quip

Cathode Ray · January 13, 2025, 05:52:20 AM

https://x.com/jondelarroz/status/1878639480271499442

According to Jon Del Arroz on Twitter/X:

QuoteTabletop RPGs has a massive problem with wokeness.

The director of games at Paizo, which makes Pathfinder, the main alternative to Dungeons & Dragons, posted that he doesn't want the Vice President even playing his game.

This company is just as bad as Wizards of the Coast.

From Jason Bulmahn of Piazo:

QuoteIf Vance has played Pathfinder, I want him to send his books back. No space for fascists in our game.

But if fascists DESIGN your games and run your company, you must have plenty of room.

EDIT: He also has pronouns in his Twitter bio.

oggsmash · January 13, 2025, 07:41:25 AM

Paizo is worse than WOC, and from what I can recall has ALWAYS been pretty bad on that particular note (letting their lefty shine bright). Calling Vance a fascist though...I think these folks should at least brush up on political meanings and definitions. I suspect the strong in group preference of actual fascists is severely compromised in Vance's case.

Banjo Destructo · January 13, 2025, 10:14:45 AM

Paizo is a fascist company, run by fascists, their games are written by fascists, and most of their players are friendly to fascism. And they're too stupid to know that they're fascists who support the state using power against people in order to maintain their social order and control over people and bend corporations to state will.

MerrillWeathermay · January 13, 2025, 10:51:02 AM

It is galactically stupid from a business standpoint to make tweets like this on X

telling 50% of the US population that they voted for a Fascist is a really bad idea

that being said, I didn't even know Paizo was still around: they have been irrelevant for like 10 years, have seen declining sales, and the Pathfinder Society now fits into a 10x10 room at any given convention these days

I would say that they should sell the IP to someone else, but the game was garbage from the outset, and I don't think it has any value lol

HappyDaze · January 13, 2025, 11:00:21 AM

The Paizo line is old news from August of 2024. What makes some guy's three lines on it significant enough for a thread now?

Mistwell · January 13, 2025, 01:27:29 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on January 13, 2025, 11:00:21 AMThe Paizo line is old news from August of 2024. What makes some guy's three lines on it significant enough for a thread now?

I don't know when the Tweet was made but it only spread recently so that's why it's being noted now.

It's newsworthy because 1) Pathfinder is still the #2 best selling TTRPG out there according places that track such things, and 2) this is far more "gatekeeping" than the accusations Paizo has lobbed at individuals for "gatekeeping". That level of hypocrisy seems worth mentioning, doesn't it?

SmallMountaineer · January 13, 2025, 01:46:49 PM

As a hobbyist third-party designer with way less at stake in entertainment than this guy, I cannot imagine trying to isolate and insult large swaths of the potential consumer audience like this. I want everyone to purchase my products, and I hope everyone enjoys them as they are intended to be enjoyed.

Ratman_tf · January 13, 2025, 02:01:06 PM

I don't want someone I don't like to like something I like because I have the emotional maturity of a 5 year old!

Grow up, Jason Bulmahn of Piazo.

Cathode Ray · January 13, 2025, 02:27:40 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on January 13, 2025, 11:00:21 AMThe Paizo line is old news from August of 2024. What makes some guy's three lines on it significant enough for a thread now?

Because I missed it last time. Sorry. Diversity & Dragons weighed in on this too today. It's being talked about in the past 24 hours and because of it, it's the first time I saw the tweet from Piazo.

https://x.com/WeeWheaton/status/1878589334640590910

Quote from: SmallMountaineer on January 13, 2025, 01:46:49 PMAs a hobbyist third-party designer with way less at stake in entertainment than this guy, I cannot imagine trying to isolate and insult large swaths of the potential consumer audience like this. I want everyone to purchase my products, and I hope everyone enjoys them as they are intended to be enjoyed.

Exactly. I don't care who you are... I want you to buy Radical High. And after you buy it, if you want to have trans-fascist adventures with it, go all out! 3If you buy my game, I'm not going to Piazo you and demand that you have to do what I say with it.

Valatar · January 14, 2025, 06:54:13 AM

Yeah, this is months old; I posted about it at the time. Dunno why it's just now picking up the particular traction it's receiving.

Melan · January 14, 2025, 07:02:23 AM

I wouldn't want J.D., or anyone else, really, to play Pathfinder or whatever passes for D&D now. These terms are acceptable.

weirdguy564 · January 14, 2025, 08:40:33 AM

Yeah, this sort of thing is all the rage right now. 'If you're not with us, then you are against us,' attitudes don't sit well with me.

I won't be surprised if Paizo sales drops noticeably because of this.

Also, while I don't care much for Pathfinder because I like efficient, rules lite games, I'll no longer recommend Pathfinder to any new players who ask me purchasing advice.

weirdguy564 · January 14, 2025, 08:42:16 AM

Quote from: Valatar on January 14, 2025, 06:54:13 AMYeah, this is months old; I posted about it at the time. Dunno why it's just now picking up the particular traction it's receiving.

It's the internet.

It's weird.

And full of Rule34 stuff. I'm not complaining about that part, though. Just being honest.

SmallMountaineer · January 14, 2025, 09:08:27 AM

Quote from: weirdguy564 on January 14, 2025, 08:40:33 AMI won't be surprised if Paizo sales drops noticeably because of this.

Actually, I rather doubt it affects them at all. They staked out a particular political position years ago and have not deviated from it. People like JD Vance or anyone anywhere close to him on the spectrum are not their target audience.

Nobleshield · January 14, 2025, 12:06:21 PM

Quote from: Valatar on January 14, 2025, 06:54:13 AMYeah, this is months old; I posted about it at the time. Dunno why it's just now picking up the particular traction it's receiving.

It's worse that the guy reposting it is getting all the credit for "bringing it to light" but lots of people brought it up before, just didn't have big names latching on. So it LOOKS like it was hidden until now. It's kind of annoying, although Im' friends with the guy posting it this most recent time, because it's like he's being paraded around and getting all this traction when he really didnt' do anything.