I'm pretty much sworn not to run 5e D&D again. I'll play it if others run it.

Quote from: Slambo on January 06, 2025, 11:35:51 PM

Quote from: Omega on January 06, 2025, 10:45:46 PMAdd to my list Traveler. The system is, eh, but for fucks sake the fanbase turns me off running or playing it ever again.

If you dont mind me asking, whats wrong with traveller's fanbase.

I was just about to ask the same thing.   Honestly, I haven't heard much about the fanbase whether good or bad so don't have any preconceived notions on either the game (which I haven't played) or the fanbase.

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Quote from: Slambo on January 06, 2025, 11:35:51 PM

Quote from: Omega on January 06, 2025, 10:45:46 PMAdd to my list Traveler. The system is, eh, but for fucks sake the fanbase turns me off running or playing it ever again.

If you dont mind me asking, whats wrong with traveller's fanbase.

I was just about to ask the same thing.   Honestly, I haven't heard much about the fanbase whether good or bad so don't have any preconceived notions on either the game (which I haven't played) or the fanbase.

I'm a fan and will admit to being an asshole at times. Truth be told, I've picked on Omega for his claim that Star Frontiers is harder science fiction than Traveller (it ain't).

That said, some of the biggest stark raving assholes that I've ever met have also been active Traveller fans. Evil Dr Ganymede who is a brilliant planetary scientist, has threatened to punch me in the face over whether or not a habitable world could exist around a type O or B Star. Shawn Driscoll has tried to doxx me in this forum years ago over Traveller rule disagreements. I'd say that Traveller has a problem with that but it is more of a problem with how passionate fans get about the game.

It isn't just the social retard mode of being an asshole. When people get into Traveller, a lot of them really love the system and setting, so they get an almost unhealthy fixation with the game. Mainly because to them, it really is that SFRPG that they've been looking for and have finally found.

I'm an advocate for the game, because I find it to be excellent for what it does. I do also believe that there are some genres that it is wholly unsuited for. For the job I want it to do, I find it to be an incredible tool.

Heh, if I were forced to run 5e, it would be with AD&D style.  There would be much dying and you get coffee from a wizard and not a barista. :-)

5th edition D&D to me was not too fun to run.  I did enjoy playing it a bit, but the threat level to PCs when compared to 1st edition is I think a bit crazy.  The party seemed to start as junior super heroes and just ramp up.  I think that sort of game could be fun, it just was not dungeons and dragons to me. 

My responses to these quotes are as someone who's only active RPG (besides Radical High) is Star Frontiers:

Quote from: Omega on January 06, 2025, 10:45:46 PMthe fanbase turns me off running or playing it ever again.

I'll take Star Frontiers over that any time. Easy to learn and teach percentile system, semi-hard fiction. But... the Traveler fanatics despise it and cant ever shut their damn mouths.

Although it doesn't bother me, I noticed that.

Quote from: Slambo on January 06, 2025, 11:35:51 PMIf you dont mind me asking [Omega], whats wrong with traveller's fanbase.

I think it was their hostility toward Star Frontiers.

Quote from: jeff37923 on January 07, 2025, 08:10:03 PMTruth be told, I've picked on Omega for his claim that Star Frontiers is harder science fiction than Traveller (it ain't).

I totally agree!  Star Frontiers is about as soft as sci-fi can get.

Quote from: jeff37923 on January 06, 2025, 02:11:25 PMStar Frontiers - just too retarded

I got a good laugh out of this.

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I don't know if I will never play it again, but I lost interest in The Fantasy Trip, my former go-to FRPG, since Stevie's famous July 8th meltdown.  I already own everything from the Legacy edition up till that point, and refusing to play what I do own is cutting your nose off to spite your face. Still, I haven't been feeling it anymore and I just finished packing it all up and putting it in the attic.  Maybe someday, I'll feel like playing, and get it out, but if not, maybe It'll show up on eBay sometime.

Quote from: Slambo on January 06, 2025, 11:35:51 PMIf you dont mind me asking, whats wrong with traveller's fanbase.

Much like gurps fans/fanatics... Feels like every other one that opens their damn mouth is a fucking snob or worse. They cant just be happy promoting Traveller. They seem to feel compelled to spit on any other sci-fi game.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on January 07, 2025, 08:44:42 AMI think the big reason for a lot of this comes down to cheaper, or even free alternative of every old game that exists.

Hell, D&D has how many OSR clones at this point?  Just naming all the free ones is a bit of a struggle.

My problem is that I love Japanese mecha, RoboTech in particular.  That's not a popular genre.

Palladium was our system in high school.  We only played those games.  It's sad, as a fix is so easy.  Just rename what bonuses are meant for which use.  A hand-to-hand strike bonus isn't meant to make you aim a gun better?  Ok, change gun bonuses to a new term called "Aim".  If I have a +2 to Strike and +1 to Block from hand-to-hand, and weapon skills that give a +3 to Aim, and a +3 to Parry, you should not run into that player with a +5 to Strike with their pistol, and a +4 to Parry with their riot shield.

I ran some fun Palladium Robotech sessions. System works fine.

One mecha RPG have been curious about is one called Mecha! I have the Spirit Warriors book (thought it was a core and turns out was an expansion) Great idea of ancient Aztec people transplanted to an alien starsystem by space gods and taught how to pilot mecha powered by the gods and ALOT of sacrifices. Makes me curious what the other factions were like and what the actual system is like.

I dabbled a little with Mecha Crusade for 3e. But have never gotten to run it.

Quote from: jeff37923 on January 07, 2025, 08:10:03 PMI'm a fan and will admit to being an asshole at times. Truth be told, I've picked on Omega for his claim that Star Frontiers is harder science fiction than Traveller (it ain't).

Cute. But you are still wrong.

Try again please. But then maybe you are too busy being a jackass to come up with anything better.

Quote from: Omega on January 12, 2025, 08:20:09 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on January 07, 2025, 08:10:03 PMI'm a fan and will admit to being an asshole at times. Truth be told, I've picked on Omega for his claim that Star Frontiers is harder science fiction than Traveller (it ain't).

Cute. But you are still wrong.

Try again please. But then maybe you are too busy being a jackass to come up with anything better.

Human sized unicellular organisms that are sentient, human sized bugs that still have book lungs and are intelligent, personal force fields that bend light but no gravity control, starships that go FTL when they reach 0.01% lightspeed because space is weird, starship shields that bend light but no gravity control, worlds that are automagically habitable. I could go on, but we've had this conversation before.

There's nothing wrong with being science fantasy. Some of my favorite games are science fantasy.

I'm with Jeff on this one.  Star Frontiers is simply very far-fetched and silly in its science.  But that makes it very "pulp-y", which is why I prefer it to Traveler.  And people who prefer Traveler can enjoy that.  And people who like both for different reasons can play both. 

Eclipse Phase.

Too crunchy, went woke and when they tried the whole " all of the world religions collapsed due to being able to swap bodies except Islam" BS is where the lost me.

Somehow one of the more repressive, rigid religions can adapt to swapping bodies on a whim yet not Christianity or Judaism. Sure. Off to be sold to the nearest rpg store.

Quote from: Abraxus on January 13, 2025, 11:44:53 AMEclipse Phase.

Too crunchy, went woke and when they tried the whole " all of the world religions collapsed due to being able to swap bodies except Islam" BS is where the lost me.

Somehow one of the more repressive, rigid religions can adapt to swapping bodies on a whim yet not Christianity or Judaism. Sure. Off to be sold to the nearest rpg store.

I didn't realize they did that.  They lost me at some sort of punch a nazi schtick they included in their second edition with, of course, far leftists being the ones who determine who is and isn't a nazi.   And that's coming from someone who heard first hand stories of my parents and grandparents experiencing the real ones first hand.

Greetings!

Yeah, all of these screeching Woke morons in this country sibbing about "Nazis" and proclaiming how they want to "Punch Nazis" are on one hand fucking laughable, and on the other hand, fucking pathetic.

Facing up against the 1st SS Leibstandarte Panzer Division in Europe these morons would shit themselves and fucking beg for mercy. They wouldn't get any though. The SS Panzergrenadiers would fucking mow them down and then laugh as they were ground up under the treads of the Tigers.

My own father fought against the Nazis in Europe. These pathetic children have no idea whatsoever what real Nazis look like.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I've run a fair amount of 5E, but I have zero interest in running anything D&D that comes after. There are so many great games out there, no one needs to get forced into dealing with Hasbro.