Quote from: Nobleshield on December 10, 2024, 11:51:20 AMMostly normies with no respect for the history who want to turn it into queer slop.

Either you have a weird understanding of the word "normie", or the situation in the US is far worse than I supposed. I think it's more the former - Normies, almost by definition, are not interested in Queering anything. Queering something is the realm of the LGBTQIA+ Woke, who are trying to Wokify (ie corrupt) the Normies. A Normie who becomes Woke is no longer a Normie.

QuoteThey aren't normies, they are their own kind of anti social weird.  Those that go from community to community to poison it with their gatekeeping and ideology are a small group of toxic leftist that want you to think they are normies.

Their hobby is to poison everything with their "righteous crusade."  They don't give a shit about tabletop, or video games, or movies, or knitting, or toy collecting, or...  They shit up the internet by running off the actual hobbyist in every hobby and turn their sites into echo chambers with a couple of dozen users and a bunch of bots.

Most normies don't want to deal with the social issues; they just want to enjoy something. 

This!

As a side note, I would add pretty much anything that involves James Lowder on the red list

guy is a talentless hack who has never been peer-reviewed or edited in his life, and simply churns out cheesy tie-in material based on themes and concepts crated by other people. He then goes on social media and spouts out his leftist slogans all day long

his latest diatribe on FB was telling me and others that gaming materials have always been political, so we can't complain about politics or ideology being in a RPG

I am under no obligation to accept this guy's politics. Seriously, fu** this dude, he is a joke, like many other writers in the RPG industry

heaven forbid guys like him or Salvatore had to write something of substance that would appeal to an adult with sophisticated taste in literature

/end rant

Ah yes, the old "X has always been political chud, and just so happens to always have been left-wing too" bullshit from these tardballs.

I found this web site because of this list.  Thanks for all the hard work yous all put into it.

Quote from: MerrillWeathermay on December 13, 2024, 09:26:14 PMhis latest diatribe on FB was telling me and others that gaming materials have always been political, so we can't complain about politics or ideology being in a RPG

This is such a bad take it's a joke.
Just because some failed guys tried to shove leftism around (and mostly failed) doesn't make it a proud tradition.  Similarly, some top down insertion of poison isn't made ok because there's always been yahoos trying to do that.

Sometimes they mean it another way- that just normal people having normal sensibilities (such as women being physically weaker than men) "is political".  It's not, and it never was.

Gary Gygax didn't put his politics into his games.  These people do.  A radical screeching that everything is political because he wants to change everything doesn't make it so, and it never has.

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Quote from: arctic_fox on June 12, 2022, 04:50:59 PMHad anyone here played Symbaroum or Vaesen? Both games presentation looks amazing but i want to know about the content itself and couldn't find it on the list. Has any form of wokeness injected on it? Or it is safe to buy?

I ran a one-off of Symbaroum a few years ago.  I don't recall anything overtly woke in the book but it depends on how sensitive you are.  Does the fact that the kingdom is run by a Queen bother you?  If not then the game should be fine, but I know some that would see that as a warning sign. 

That's the downside to all these years of wokeness.  Things that wouldn't have been seen as problems before, such as female leads, have now become suspect.

Sorry for the late reply... I don't think that anyone would see as woke a queen rulling since it happened before and it's perfectly plausible. Woke happens when you have obvious distortions that aims at pushing an political agenda. Like an medieval european setting with an indian queen rulling. Of course you're free to run your game the way you want, but if you aim for something believable then things like that should be considered. Even fiction has to follow rules, specially if you want a immersive experience.

Wow, I never imagined someone would dream up the idea that Symbaroum (or Vaesen, or any other Free League publishing game) qualifies as "woke" hahaha

What does it matter if any of those games have odd characters anyways? It's all fiction, after all..

I think the main issue raised is smuggling these characters in just to tick a box. If the industry would stop and create cool stuff with unique characters in earnest, a lot of these criticisms would disappear.

Quote from: Fatal_theory on December 29, 2024, 07:54:47 PMI think the main issue raised is smuggling these characters in just to tick a box. If the industry would stop and create cool stuff with unique characters in earnest, a lot of these criticisms would disappear.

It's more than that, a lot more. 

In the past couple of years we've had products released that tell us what themes are ok and not ok to explore in game play, put in extreme subject matter and then scold us if we don't use it exactly like they intended (God's Teeth), be centered around a culture and then scold us if we lean into it or we are racist (Coyote and Crow), be explicit political propaganda and then be gaslit by the publishers, and have the Creative Director of a major product come right out on Youtube and say white males need to leave the hobby.

Not to mention the fact that many of the publishers are making massive donations to efforts and organizations that are diametrically opposed to many thing I hold sacred or pushing ideologies I find bad like BLM and The Mermaid Project.  Then there's the whole Gamers for Harris thing.  In other words, where they aren't putting in the games, there's a lot of publishers that are using gaming as a platform to support and fund social and political movements and organizations.  The ticking of "diversity" boxes is a tell of the larger intent of the publisher.

Finally, there's the fact that I can't just opt out of this but I'm some form of bigot for not joining every cause they want me too.  The activists have come into gaming spaces and demanded compliance and support. 

We want to tell publishers to stop using your products as a tool of revolution and scolding me when I reject the message.  Stop being overtly racist and sexist to large portions of gamers.

Quote from: Mixel Plick on December 16, 2024, 08:53:22 AMI found this web site because of this list.  Thanks for all the hard work yous all put into it.

Hey, welcome aboard!!!  It is an interesting thread, for sure.

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Quote from: arctic_fox on June 12, 2022, 04:50:59 PMHad anyone here played Symbaroum or Vaesen? Both games presentation looks amazing but i want to know about the content itself and couldn't find it on the list. Has any form of wokeness injected on it? Or it is safe to buy?

I ran a one-off of Symbaroum a few years ago.  I don't recall anything overtly woke in the book but it depends on how sensitive you are.  Does the fact that the kingdom is run by a Queen bother you?  If not then the game should be fine, but I know some that would see that as a warning sign. 

That's the downside to all these years of wokeness.  Things that wouldn't have been seen as problems before, such as female leads, have now become suspect.

Sorry for the late reply... I don't think that anyone would see as woke a queen rulling since it happened before and it's perfectly plausible. Woke happens when you have obvious distortions that aims at pushing an political agenda. Like an medieval european setting with an indian queen rulling. Of course you're free to run your game the way you want, but if you aim for something believable then things like that should be considered. Even fiction has to follow rules, specially if you want a immersive experience.

Wow, I never imagined someone would dream up the idea that Symbaroum (or Vaesen, or any other Free League publishing game) qualifies as "woke" hahaha

What does it matter if any of those games have odd characters anyways? It's all fiction, after all..

Did anyone claim they were woke? arctic_fox asked the question, rgalex said they weren't (unless you went so far as counting having a queen as woke), and arctic_fox said that didn't make a game woke. So it appears that conversation quickly decided they weren't. Also, Free League are on the green list.

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Quote from: arctic_fox on June 25, 2022, 02:40:00 PM

Quote from: rgalex on June 13, 2022, 10:05:04 AM

Quote from: arctic_fox on June 12, 2022, 04:50:59 PMHad anyone here played Symbaroum or Vaesen? Both games presentation looks amazing but i want to know about the content itself and couldn't find it on the list. Has any form of wokeness injected on it? Or it is safe to buy?

I ran a one-off of Symbaroum a few years ago.  I don't recall anything overtly woke in the book but it depends on how sensitive you are.  Does the fact that the kingdom is run by a Queen bother you?  If not then the game should be fine, but I know some that would see that as a warning sign. 

That's the downside to all these years of wokeness.  Things that wouldn't have been seen as problems before, such as female leads, have now become suspect.

Sorry for the late reply... I don't think that anyone would see as woke a queen rulling since it happened before and it's perfectly plausible. Woke happens when you have obvious distortions that aims at pushing an political agenda. Like an medieval european setting with an indian queen rulling. Of course you're free to run your game the way you want, but if you aim for something believable then things like that should be considered. Even fiction has to follow rules, specially if you want a immersive experience.

Wow, I never imagined someone would dream up the idea that Symbaroum (or Vaesen, or any other Free League publishing game) qualifies as "woke" hahaha

What does it matter if any of those games have odd characters anyways? It's all fiction, after all..

Did anyone claim they were woke? arctic_fox asked the question, rgalex said they weren't (unless you went so far as counting having a queen as woke), and arctic_fox said that didn't make a game woke. So it appears that conversation quickly decided they weren't. Also, Free League are on the green list.

Ha, sorry then. My bad. I misread that or didn't read enough.

Quote from: Fatal_theory on December 29, 2024, 07:54:47 PMI think the main issue raised is smuggling these characters in just to tick a box. If the industry would stop and create cool stuff with unique characters in earnest, a lot of these criticisms would disappear.

It goes way beyond that.  This is the kind of tedious virtue signaling that Evil Hat feels the need to include in their games.

Quote from: yosemitemike on December 31, 2024, 01:16:25 AMIt goes way beyond that.  This is the kind of tedious virtue signaling that Evil Hat feels the need to include in their games.

I miss 5 seconds ago when I'd almost forgotten that exists.

Quote from: yosemitemike on December 31, 2024, 01:16:25 AM

Quote from: Fatal_theory on December 29, 2024, 07:54:47 PMI think the main issue raised is smuggling these characters in just to tick a box. If the industry would stop and create cool stuff with unique characters in earnest, a lot of these criticisms would disappear.

It goes way beyond that.  This is the kind of tedious virtue signaling that Evil Hat feels the need to include in their games.

At a loss for words after reading this.

"Evil". The name checks out.