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If you hate AI art in your TTRPG, which way do you lean?

Started by Sqeek McDohl, December 22, 2024, 12:29:47 AM

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Ruprecht

#60
December 25, 2024, 05:14:32 PM
I don't care if it's ai or not D has an interesting style.
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Cathode Ray

#61
December 25, 2024, 07:37:10 PM
Quote from: zircher on December 25, 2024, 02:13:04 PMNow I am starting to wonder, how many of you can spot soulless AI vs warm and fuzzy human art.  Here's quick test, which ones are AI authored? (All images cropped/resized to 512x512 and meta data removed, no peeking.)

Yes, this is a hypocrite test.  Don't know, don't care, are valid answers, but that proves my point.  Fun fact, this image is copyright-able since it contains significant human generated art, editing, layout, etc.  Not that I care, but I wanted to share that bit of trivia.



My guess is that only D and F are NOT AI art.
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Ratman_tf

#62
December 25, 2024, 07:55:52 PM Last Edit: December 25, 2024, 08:22:51 PM by Ratman_tf
*edit*

I was going to put in my guesses, but all these images look like they're designed or chosen to play on AI "tells", and not be an honest representation of AI art vs human art.
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Chris24601

#63
December 25, 2024, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 25, 2024, 07:55:52 PM*edit*

I was going to put in my guesses, but all these images look like they're designed or chosen to play on AI "tells", and not be an honest representation of AI art vs human art.
Agreed. B and C are the only ones that might be seen in an RPG books. D might be part of a cover for some offbrand Ultraman game.

weirdguy564

#64
December 25, 2024, 11:05:47 PM
AI art is here to stay. 

Truthfully, it's far too good at making art that's good enough rather than perfect.  For people on a budget using AI art is probably the way to go. 

For example, this AI castle seems good enough for a fantasy RPG. 
I'm glad for you if you like the top selling game of the genre.  Me, I like the road less travelled, and will be the player asking we try a game you've never heard of.

zircher

#65
December 26, 2024, 12:25:15 AM
Quote from: Chris24601 on December 25, 2024, 04:42:44 PMI'm sure I probably scored about 50% on the test above, but that's largely irrelevant because none of those except C would actually be found in a game book. They're just not the right sort of illustrations for such a test.
About 50%, but not for the reasons you think.  :-)

But, you do have a point that RPG illustrations have a different focus/style.  I just raided my hard drive for this test.  Will have to work up a more 'realistic' test (but that will take a little time and I was busy cooking Christmas dinner today.)
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zircher

#66
December 26, 2024, 12:41:05 AM Last Edit: December 26, 2024, 12:42:55 AM by zircher Reason: Format error?
Answers.

Well crap, the spoiler tag doesn't work on this forum?
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curryescott

#67
December 26, 2024, 01:39:11 AM
I'm hard right leaning and I have no issue with AI art if it's good and it's fully disclosed.   I just want to be inspired and excited by the art in my RPG books and however it gets done is fine with me. 

BoxCrayonTales

#68
December 26, 2024, 12:56:12 PM
The problem with AI isn't simply that it can fool viewers. That's just asking for mass misinformation btw. The problem here is that it takes away opportunities from conservative artists. You're too poor to hire an artist. Corpos are too stingy to hire an artist. For conservative artists, it's a lose-lose scenario.

weirdguy564

#69
December 26, 2024, 02:02:53 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 26, 2024, 12:56:12 PMThe problem with AI isn't simply that it can fool viewers. That's just asking for mass misinformation btw. The problem here is that it takes away opportunities from conservative artists. You're too poor to hire an artist. Corpos are too stingy to hire an artist. For conservative artists, it's a lose-lose scenario.

That's the major argument.

But, money is money.  I can also have craftsmen hand build me new kitchen flooring from real hardwood boards.  Or, I can buy pre-manufactured Vinyl flooring slats from Menards that clip together and install them myself.

I chose the 2nd option.  And my kitchen looks great, thanks for asking. 

AI art is going to tank independent artists.  That is inevitable. Or, it already has. 

I'm ok with AI art as I said.  I've even installed Comfy-UI onto my PC so I can generate my own pictures already. 

Can you eliminate a contractor if there was never a contractor in the first place?
I'm glad for you if you like the top selling game of the genre.  Me, I like the road less travelled, and will be the player asking we try a game you've never heard of.

BoxCrayonTales

#70
December 26, 2024, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: weirdguy564 on December 26, 2024, 02:02:53 PMAI art is going to tank independent artists.  That is inevitable. Or, it already has. 
Is that really something we want to happen?

Exploderwizard

#71
December 26, 2024, 02:16:12 PM
Quote from: weirdguy564 on December 26, 2024, 02:02:53 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 26, 2024, 12:56:12 PMThe problem with AI isn't simply that it can fool viewers. That's just asking for mass misinformation btw. The problem here is that it takes away opportunities from conservative artists. You're too poor to hire an artist. Corpos are too stingy to hire an artist. For conservative artists, it's a lose-lose scenario.

That's the major argument.

But, money is money.  I can also have craftsmen hand build me new kitchen flooring from real hardwood boards.  Or, I can buy pre-manufactured Vinyl flooring slats from Menards that clip together and install them myself.

I chose the 2nd option.  And my kitchen looks great, thanks for asking. 

AI art is going to tank independent artists.  That is inevitable. Or, it already has. 

I'm ok with AI art as I said.  I've even installed Comfy-UI onto my PC so I can generate my own pictures already. 

Can you eliminate a contractor if there was never a contractor in the first place?

Manufactured items are not AI. A human designed those pre-fab flooring pieces at some point and either got paid for the design, or if he was smart, gets royalties for every one sold.
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Ruprecht

#72
December 26, 2024, 04:03:43 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard on December 26, 2024, 02:16:12 PMManufactured items are not AI. A human designed those pre-fab flooring pieces at some point and either got paid for the design, or if he was smart, gets royalties for every one sold.
I think he was using a metaphor.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 26, 2024, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: weirdguy564 on December 26, 2024, 02:02:53 PMAI art is going to tank independent artists.  That is inevitable. Or, it already has.
Is that really something we want to happen?
"Want" is a different thing from excepting something is inevitable because it is cheaper, faster, is getting better and better, and doesn't quit the job but keep your money because it dislikes your politics.
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Ratman_tf

#73
December 26, 2024, 10:10:45 PM
Quote from: Ruprecht on December 26, 2024, 04:03:43 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard on December 26, 2024, 02:16:12 PMManufactured items are not AI. A human designed those pre-fab flooring pieces at some point and either got paid for the design, or if he was smart, gets royalties for every one sold.
I think he was using a metaphor.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 26, 2024, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: weirdguy564 on December 26, 2024, 02:02:53 PMAI art is going to tank independent artists.  That is inevitable. Or, it already has.
Is that really something we want to happen?
"Want" is a different thing from excepting something is inevitable

We may not like a new technology, we may not think it's fair or reasonable. But if something is going to happen, people best adapt instead of having that new technology blindside them. If AI continues to improve, artists are going to have to contend with that. Even if we have draconian laws against the use of AI, other countries *cough*China*cough* won't.

Eventually, I expect automation and AI to make humanity obsolete. Production and consumption, maybe even philosophy and morality. The whole shebang. I don't know what's going to happen when we hit that threshold. I hope I don't live to see it.
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BoxCrayonTales

#74
December 26, 2024, 10:27:17 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on December 26, 2024, 10:10:45 PM
Quote from: Ruprecht on December 26, 2024, 04:03:43 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard on December 26, 2024, 02:16:12 PMManufactured items are not AI. A human designed those pre-fab flooring pieces at some point and either got paid for the design, or if he was smart, gets royalties for every one sold.
I think he was using a metaphor.
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 26, 2024, 02:07:48 PM
Quote from: weirdguy564 on December 26, 2024, 02:02:53 PMAI art is going to tank independent artists.  That is inevitable. Or, it already has.
Is that really something we want to happen?
"Want" is a different thing from excepting something is inevitable

We may not like a new technology, we may not think it's fair or reasonable. But if something is going to happen, people best adapt instead of having that new technology blindside them. If AI continues to improve, artists are going to have to contend with that. Even if we have draconian laws against the use of AI, other countries *cough*China*cough* won't.

Eventually, I expect automation and AI to make humanity obsolete. Production and consumption, maybe even philosophy and morality. The whole shebang. I don't know what's going to happen when we hit that threshold. I hope I don't live to see it.
Uh yeah, that's precisely why people are worried about AI. It is an existential threat. We want to live.

The only way we'll survive is by waging a Butlerian Jihad against machines and the machine attitudes that led anyone to thinking automating art was ever a good idea.
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