Quote from: M2A0 on December 03, 2024, 09:19:15 PMWow Pundit, you're approaching SHARK territory proclaiming that WotC is full of communist. Idiots, assholes, arrogant bastards sure, but I doubt there are more than a handful that are actually Marxist. 

   Not in the strict sense, but I suspect many of them sympathize with Marx's concept of the dialectic, albeit transposed from Capital/Labor to Cishet White Males/Everyone Else, and his hostility to God, family, nature, and reality in general.

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Quote from: M2A0 on December 03, 2024, 09:19:15 PMWow Pundit, you're approaching SHARK territory proclaiming that WotC is full of communist. Idiots, assholes, arrogant bastards sure, but I doubt there are more than a handful that are actually Marxist. 

   Not in the strict sense, but I suspect many of them sympathize with Marx's concept of the dialectic, albeit transposed from Capital/Labor to Cishet White Males/Everyone Else, and his hostility to God, family, nature, and reality in general.

Sympathize? Considering that Karl Marx was a loser who couldn't remain employed and was constantly borrowing money from his family to make ends meet and lying to his creditors you'd think he would be their Patron Saint.

Does this mean Pundit will help SHARK publish D&D Blood & Boobies edition? Will it still have a gold standard currency instead of a friendship bracelet economy? Will comeliness return as a stat? Only time will tell.

Quote from: Opaopajr on December 04, 2024, 04:40:42 AM Does this mean Pundit will help SHARK publish D&D Blood & Boobies edition? Will it still have a gold standard currency instead of a friendship bracelet economy? Will comeliness return as a stat? Only time will tell.

Greetings!

*Laughing* NICE, Opaopajr!

Definitely the GOLD STANDARD!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 01, 2024, 10:41:30 AMThe management of Hasbro has no fucking clue what they're doing. They're developing video games like Exodus in-house, licensing Transformers tabletop games to other companies, and attacking their customer base on social media.

How are ANY of you guys who have been boycotting WOTC for over a decade their "customer base?" Guy above just said he hasn't bought anything in nearly a quarter century from them, and y'all insist you're their "customer base" being insulted here when WOTC says they don't listen to you guys? You took yourself out of the game. You declared yourself not a customer. Of course they don't listen to you: you're NOT THEIR CUSTOMERS. And you sometimes claim you should be won back but we all know that's not happening because you've built part of your core identity around being old school and not down with WOTC.

The book in question, The Origins of D&D, was obviously made to cater to old-school fans. They attacked that particular customer base IN THE BOOK ITSELF.

Pretty sure it's intended for the current D&D audience who are curious about the origins of D&D because they were not around for it.

The people playing racequeer trisexual tiefling/orc furries don't give a fuck about the history of the game, and certainly weren't going to spend $100 on a deluxe hardcover book who's biggest marketing point was the rules to the first draft of Gygax's D&D rules.

This was obviously intended to be a luxury-item product FOR GROGNARDS, to bring them back into the fold or at least tap them for money.

But because communists are all retarded, they literally COULD NOT CONTROL THEMSELVES long enough not to accuse the creator of D&D and all his fans of being EVIL, and the game tainted.

Wow Pundit, you're approaching SHARK territory proclaiming that WotC is full of communist. Idiots, assholes, arrogant bastards sure, but I doubt there are more than a handful that are actually Marxist.

Depends on what you mean by "actually Marxist". I'm using the broad term of post-modern fashionable neo-marxism. And in that context, virtually everyone working at WotC below the level of Executive is definitely a Marxist.

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 01, 2024, 10:41:30 AMThe management of Hasbro has no fucking clue what they're doing. They're developing video games like Exodus in-house, licensing Transformers tabletop games to other companies, and attacking their customer base on social media.

How are ANY of you guys who have been boycotting WOTC for over a decade their "customer base?" Guy above just said he hasn't bought anything in nearly a quarter century from them, and y'all insist you're their "customer base" being insulted here when WOTC says they don't listen to you guys? You took yourself out of the game. You declared yourself not a customer. Of course they don't listen to you: you're NOT THEIR CUSTOMERS. And you sometimes claim you should be won back but we all know that's not happening because you've built part of your core identity around being old school and not down with WOTC.

The book in question, The Origins of D&D, was obviously made to cater to old-school fans. They attacked that particular customer base IN THE BOOK ITSELF.

Pretty sure it's intended for the current D&D audience who are curious about the origins of D&D because they were not around for it.

The people playing racequeer trisexual tiefling/orc furries don't give a fuck about the history of the game, and certainly weren't going to spend $100 on a deluxe hardcover book who's biggest marketing point was the rules to the first draft of Gygax's D&D rules.

This was obviously intended to be a luxury-item product FOR GROGNARDS, to bring them back into the fold or at least tap them for money.

But because communists are all retarded, they literally COULD NOT CONTROL THEMSELVES long enough not to accuse the creator of D&D and all his fans of being EVIL, and the game tainted.

Wow Pundit, you're approaching SHARK territory proclaiming that WotC is full of communist. Idiots, assholes, arrogant bastards sure, but I doubt there are more than a handful that are actually Marxist. 

Greetings!

Liberals, Progressives, Democrats, all of them have been deeply infiltrated, indoctrinated, and influenced by Communist ideology.

I would bet 90% of the people that work at WOTC identify as one or more of those. Thus, they are embracing Communist ideology, Communist policies, anti-Capitalism, Anti-America, BLM, ANTIFA, anti-gun, all that kind of mind virus--and yes, being WOKE. So, whether they would actually claim specifically to be Communists doesn't matter. They are still being soaked in Communism.

You might have problems with that, but most of America recognizes that I AM RIGHT, whether you like it or not. More and more Americans are waking up to how deeply corrupted the Democrats, the Liberals, the Progressives, have become, and how much they love Communism.

So, ultimately, I don't care if they are card-carrying members of the Communist Party. They still embrace Communism, and work to secure and strengthen Woke tyranny in America.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I think the stupidest thing about Tondro's statement is he was so worried about hypothetical "marginalized" people being upset over things like the term "Fighting Man" (which is the historically correct term, and was changed to just "Fighter" like a couple of years later anyway), having a Cleric title be "Lama" (yet interestingly enough he had no issue with every other title being Christian in nature) and with Vishnu having stats in Deities and Demigods, but didn't give one lick about telling the people who are the reason D&D has been successful for 50 years to fuck off and slandering the deceased creators.

So basically the retard made up a scenario in his head that some minority MIGHT be upset about works from 50 years ago and felt the need to address it to say "This was always bad but back then people were ignorant" and yet never considered that his words didn't need to be said to anyone with half a brain who understands that times were different, not necessarily worse, 50 years ago.

Quote from: Mistwell on December 03, 2024, 04:34:54 PMPretty sure it's intended for the current D&D audience who are curious about the origins of D&D because they were not around for it.

So wiping their asses on the legacy of D&D creators Gygax, Arneson, and others makes it ok in your book.

Got it.

Quote from: Nobleshield on December 04, 2024, 10:15:32 AMSo basically the retard made up a scenario in his head that some minority MIGHT be upset about works from 50 years ago and felt the need to address it to say "This was always bad but back then people were ignorant" and yet never considered that his words didn't need to be said to anyone with half a brain who understands that times were different, not necessarily worse, 50 years ago.

The woke see minorities and the disabled like animals. Quaint and in need of protection. Until they see the next trendy thing.

Quote from: Orphan81 on December 03, 2024, 09:00:31 PMThey didn't.

They brought their A game to the core mechanics. It is genuinely a better version of the 5th edition rules, and every third party that makes good books will be switching over to these versions of the rules.

I'd like to hear more about that. I gave 2024 D&D a brief glance and didn't particularly like it. The only thing I like is that there is a free version. My impressions are here:

https://methodsetmadness.blogspot.com/2024/09/d-2024-is-free.html

Quote from: Nobleshield on December 04, 2024, 10:15:32 AMI think the stupidest thing about Tondro's statement is he was so worried about hypothetical "marginalized" people being upset over things like the term "Fighting Man" (which is the historically correct term, and was changed to just "Fighter" like a couple of years later anyway), having a Cleric title be "Lama" (yet interestingly enough he had no issue with every other title being Christian in nature) and with Vishnu having stats in Deities and Demigods, but didn't give one lick about telling the people who are the reason D&D has been successful for 50 years to fuck off and slandering the deceased creators.

So basically the retard made up a scenario in his head that some minority MIGHT be upset about works from 50 years ago and felt the need to address it to say "This was always bad but back then people were ignorant" and yet never considered that his words didn't need to be said to anyone with half a brain who understands that times were different, not necessarily worse, 50 years ago.

He probably is motivated by a white guilt savior complex.

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 01, 2024, 10:41:30 AMThe management of Hasbro has no fucking clue what they're doing. They're developing video games like Exodus in-house, licensing Transformers tabletop games to other companies, and attacking their customer base on social media.

How are ANY of you guys who have been boycotting WOTC for over a decade their "customer base?" Guy above just said he hasn't bought anything in nearly a quarter century from them, and y'all insist you're their "customer base" being insulted here when WOTC says they don't listen to you guys? You took yourself out of the game. You declared yourself not a customer. Of course they don't listen to you: you're NOT THEIR CUSTOMERS. And you sometimes claim you should be won back but we all know that's not happening because you've built part of your core identity around being old school and not down with WOTC.

The book in question, The Origins of D&D, was obviously made to cater to old-school fans. They attacked that particular customer base IN THE BOOK ITSELF.

Pretty sure it's intended for the current D&D audience who are curious about the origins of D&D because they were not around for it.

The people playing racequeer trisexual tiefling/orc furries don't give a fuck about the history of the game, and certainly weren't going to spend $100 on a deluxe hardcover book who's biggest marketing point was the rules to the first draft of Gygax's D&D rules.

This was obviously intended to be a luxury-item product FOR GROGNARDS, to bring them back into the fold or at least tap them for money.

But because communists are all retarded, they literally COULD NOT CONTROL THEMSELVES long enough not to accuse the creator of D&D and all his fans of being EVIL, and the game tainted.

Wow Pundit, you're approaching SHARK territory proclaiming that WotC is full of communist. Idiots, assholes, arrogant bastards sure, but I doubt there are more than a handful that are actually Marxist.

Depends on what you mean by "actually Marxist". I'm using the broad term of post-modern fashionable neo-marxism. And in that context, virtually everyone working at WotC below the level of Executive is definitely a Marxist.

I know it's changed much since I worked there, but many, many long term employees from the mid-90's still work there. Sure, they have to keep silent to survive long term in the toxic woke kultur, they are not neo-Marxist.

The young ones, under 40. That's a different story.

Quote from: M2A0 on December 04, 2024, 02:48:32 PMI know it's changed much since I worked there

wait-a-minute..You worked at WoTC?

da fuk?

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Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 01, 2024, 10:41:30 AMThe management of Hasbro has no fucking clue what they're doing. They're developing video games like Exodus in-house, licensing Transformers tabletop games to other companies, and attacking their customer base on social media.

How are ANY of you guys who have been boycotting WOTC for over a decade their "customer base?" Guy above just said he hasn't bought anything in nearly a quarter century from them, and y'all insist you're their "customer base" being insulted here when WOTC says they don't listen to you guys? You took yourself out of the game. You declared yourself not a customer. Of course they don't listen to you: you're NOT THEIR CUSTOMERS. And you sometimes claim you should be won back but we all know that's not happening because you've built part of your core identity around being old school and not down with WOTC.

The book in question, The Origins of D&D, was obviously made to cater to old-school fans. They attacked that particular customer base IN THE BOOK ITSELF.

Pretty sure it's intended for the current D&D audience who are curious about the origins of D&D because they were not around for it.

The people playing racequeer trisexual tiefling/orc furries don't give a fuck about the history of the game, and certainly weren't going to spend $100 on a deluxe hardcover book who's biggest marketing point was the rules to the first draft of Gygax's D&D rules.

This was obviously intended to be a luxury-item product FOR GROGNARDS, to bring them back into the fold or at least tap them for money.

But because communists are all retarded, they literally COULD NOT CONTROL THEMSELVES long enough not to accuse the creator of D&D and all his fans of being EVIL, and the game tainted.

It's the best selling version of the game ever (your personal opinion of that stat notwithstanding). I assure you, the extreme overwhelming majority of players are not racequeer trisexual tiefling/orc furries. Just a whole lot of normal people of all ages.

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Quote from: M2A0 on December 04, 2024, 02:48:32 PMI know it's changed much since I worked there

wait-a-minute..You worked at WoTC?

da fuk?

Yeah. For a long time.