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Elon Musk Could Buy Hasbro?!?!

Started by jeff37923, November 28, 2024, 06:40:35 PM

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Cathode Ray

#30
December 01, 2024, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 01, 2024, 07:45:31 AMThere's tons of IPs that are being ignored. In Hasbro's case, they own the entirety of TSR's back catalog. Instead of reviving Star Frontiers, Star*Drive, or whatever, they decided to immediately spend millions of dollars on latest new original IP Exodus. Which will probably bomb due to its extreme ambition and Hasbro's history of incompetence.

This is good.  This protects Star Frontiers from WotW's stupidity.  This is the main RPG that I'm playing, and I'm playing the original, physical edition, the way I live it.  (Not to mention that buying the PDFs would mean financially supporting both Drive Thru RPG and Wizards anyway.)  Much as I'd like to see SF expanding their frontiers, not under Wizards' regime.

also, I mentioned a bunch of IPs from the 80s that can be made into movies off the top of my head.  I mentioned Goldie Gold and Golden Girl, and yet, amazingly, didn't think of The Golden Girls!
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BoxCrayonTales

#31
December 01, 2024, 02:16:39 PM
Quote from: Cathode Ray on December 01, 2024, 01:50:50 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on December 01, 2024, 07:45:31 AMThere's tons of IPs that are being ignored. In Hasbro's case, they own the entirety of TSR's back catalog. Instead of reviving Star Frontiers, Star*Drive, or whatever, they decided to immediately spend millions of dollars on latest new original IP Exodus. Which will probably bomb due to its extreme ambition and Hasbro's history of incompetence.

This is good.  This protects Star Frontiers from WotW's stupidity.  This is the main RPG that I'm playing, and I'm playing the original, physical edition, the way I live it.  (Not to mention that buying the PDFs would mean financially supporting both Drive Thru RPG and Wizards anyway.)  Much as I'd like to see SF expanding their frontiers, not under Wizards' regime.

also, I mentioned a bunch of IPs from the 80s that can be made into movies off the top of my head.  I mentioned Goldie Gold and Golden Girl, and yet, amazingly, didn't think of The Golden Girls!
Have you considered making a clone with serial numbers filed off? One Page Rules publishes a 1:1 ripoff of Warhammer without being sued, so you could probably due the same with Star Frontiers. Tweak the races a bit and you should be fine.

Omega

#33
December 01, 2024, 08:45:56 PM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on November 28, 2024, 08:26:33 PMIt's ridiculous. Hasbro isn't even monetizing a fraction of what they own. In a just world, the IPs they don't care about would enter public domain rather than rotting in obscurity.

Hasbro and wotc have actually lost a few board games and RPGs they acquired because of wotc's ineptitude.

jeff37923

#34
December 01, 2024, 10:24:40 PM Last Edit: December 01, 2024, 10:31:00 PM by jeff37923 Reason: Article Link
I'm laughing because Hasbro stock price has recently surged based upon just the rumor of Elon Musk buying the company.

https://gamerant.com/hasbro-stock-spike-elon-musk-acquisition-rumor-effect/#:~:text=Hasbro%20stock%20rose%20by%202,original%20creator%20of%20the%20franchise.
"Meh."

Brad

#35
December 01, 2024, 10:31:05 PM
Doesn't Hasbro own Milton Bradley's entire catalog? I have yet to see any of the Gamemaster series except Axis & Allies released, and they don't even make the original as far as I can tell. Been trying to find a complete Fortress America for years...
It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.

orbitalair

#36
December 01, 2024, 10:52:26 PM
Hasbro owns hundreds of adult, well 12yo and up, historical wargames by Avalon Hill. 

Iirc Avalon Hill had purchased quite a bit of their own prior to Hasbro acquisition, including Simulation Publications, Inc, SPI

Some AH games were family type games they got from 3M etc.

HappyDaze

#37
December 01, 2024, 11:13:21 PM
Quote from: Brad on December 01, 2024, 10:31:05 PMBeen trying to find a complete Fortress America for years...
I know a guy that owns one. Played it a year or so back. If you're interested, I can ask him if he's willing to sell it.

BoxCrayonTales

#38
December 02, 2024, 08:34:05 AM
Exactly. These dumb corpos are holding IPs hostage because of copyright extensions lobbied by Führer Mickey Mouse. Back when copyrights had to be renewed, they were only renewed 15% of the time. We need to roll back the law to that time. Fix the abandonware problem and give the IPs back to the fans who care.

I personally have never heard of any of the Avalon Hill games, but I still believe they should enter public domain so that anyone who does care can preserve, continue and remix them.

M2A0

#39
December 02, 2024, 09:23:31 AM
Quote from: Brad on December 01, 2024, 10:31:05 PMDoesn't Hasbro own Milton Bradley's entire catalog? I have yet to see any of the Gamemaster series except Axis & Allies released, and they don't even make the original as far as I can tell. Been trying to find a complete Fortress America for years...

I used to work on Avalon Hill stuff; WotC can't figure out who owns what when it comes to the vast, vast majority of the library of IP they inherited when Hasbro moved AH to WotC. It seems like it's a moot point now, since everything AH has been moved to Renegade Games.

Also, most of the old back catalog wouldn't sell enough copies to justify printing them.

M2A0

#40
December 02, 2024, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: orbitalair on December 01, 2024, 10:52:26 PMHasbro owns hundreds of adult, well 12yo and up, historical wargames by Avalon Hill. 

Iirc Avalon Hill had purchased quite a bit of their own prior to Hasbro acquisition, including Simulation Publications, Inc, SPI

Some AH games were family type games they got from 3M etc.


SPI was bought out by TSR. WotC technically had all those IP's but didn't even know or care. There is a reason TSR killed SPI product in what,? 1985 or 6 iirc. They stopped selling well when RPG's surpassed chit wargames in popularity.

orbitalair

#41
December 02, 2024, 11:13:31 PM
Quote from: M2A0 on December 02, 2024, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: orbitalair on December 01, 2024, 10:52:26 PMHasbro owns hundreds of adult, well 12yo and up, historical wargames by Avalon Hill. 

Iirc Avalon Hill had purchased quite a bit of their own prior to Hasbro acquisition, including Simulation Publications, Inc, SPI

Some AH games were family type games they got from 3M etc.


SPI was bought out by TSR. WotC technically had all those IP's but didn't even know or care. There is a reason TSR killed SPI product in what,? 1985 or 6 iirc. They stopped selling well when RPG's surpassed chit wargames in popularity.

Chit wargames are still out there. GMT, Decision, etc.  MMP has Advanced Squad Leader, they were smart enough to buy the IP back then.  Compass Games makes reprints of old games; fixing errors, updating the artwork.  However to me part of the allure is the simple b/w rules, and simple clear art of the older days.  Newer is not always better.

And look at NobleKnight games reselling old items for big $. 
$280+ for GDW Scorched Earth game when they can find one....and it sells in a couple of days.

Oh well, I'll play the games I have, they will last me the rest of my life.

blackstone

#42
December 03, 2024, 09:12:24 AM
Remember: the Twitter buyout started as a meme/joke.

Stranger things have happened.

IMO, this would be hilarious. The blue-haired Seattle crowd are shitting their pants.
1. I'm a married homeowner with a career and kids. I won life. You can't insult me.

2. I've been deployed to Iraq, so your tough guy act is boring.

tomsonn2015

#43
December 03, 2024, 09:13:38 AM
I wish D&D just entered the public domain, away from both Hasbro & Musk.

Venka

#44
December 03, 2024, 11:02:44 AM
Quote from: Dracones on November 30, 2024, 07:08:31 PMBut I wonder if it'd make sense for Elon to just buy Hasbro, sell the IPs off in pieces and keep D&D. I know Hollywood is still pretty much all about existing IPs, even if Marvel has gone stale. And they seem to be running out of old IPs to mine.

D&D isn't the most interesting part of Hasbro- hell, it's not even the most profitable part of WotC.  Buying Hasbro and selling off Magic The Gathering would be pretty retarded I think.
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