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Having flicked through the 2024 DMG, I can only come to this: 2014 was better.

Started by Kerstmanneke82, November 13, 2024, 02:55:34 AM

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Exploderwizard

#30
November 17, 2024, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: Man at Arms on November 15, 2024, 02:13:29 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 15, 2024, 01:00:59 AM
Quote from: Man at Arms on November 14, 2024, 04:21:31 PM
Quote from: Nobleshield on November 14, 2024, 08:58:24 AMAs far as actual info the 2024 book falls flat. The 2014 one had some good advice and charts IIRC. This is like almost 2e levels of trash DMG.


I'm curious to hear any praise of the 2024 DMG, vs the 2014 book.  What, if anything; is better?
I haven't yet read over much beyond the Greyhawk material. I'll get back to you when I have.


There was a bunch of hype about getting a better DMG, this time around.  Perkins was going to make sure it was better.  They had 10 years of 5E, to look back upon.

It was all hype. It is what you get when the material is only seen by the woke echo chamber prior to release. There was supposed to be open playtesting but it never actually happened for either the DMG or the MM.
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Omega

#31
November 17, 2024, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 17, 2024, 01:08:00 AMSo, you've read the book?

No. I listened to him spouting off about the book in interview videos.

HappyDaze

#32
November 18, 2024, 07:20:28 AM
Quote from: Omega on November 17, 2024, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 17, 2024, 01:08:00 AMSo, you've read the book?

No. I listened to him spouting off about the book in interview videos.

Listening to an interview specifically intended to hype up the product is hardly an accurate way to determine if it's "all hype" or if the book is actually better.

honeydipperdavid

#33
November 18, 2024, 02:09:06 PM
Quote from: S'mon on November 13, 2024, 06:56:53 PM
Quote from: GhostNinja on November 13, 2024, 05:16:25 PMThat is why I am glad I am slowly peace outing on 5e.  I am only running it because I have a great group of guys and they want to play it.  Once that is done I am selling my books and sticking to OSR games.

I finished up my last 5e campaign a couple months ago after running it as my main game since early 2015. My son wants the books when he goes to college in September 2025, so that works out. Currently I'm playing in a couple 5e campaigns - two friends are running 5e, one Dragonbane, one had a go at Shadowdark. Shadowdark is my main game now though I definitely want to run Dragonbane again, and probably other games like Cyberpunk Red, maybe some Mini Six. I fancy having a go at a Mini Six super-hero sandbox.

If you give them to him, they are going to come back covered in beer and nacho cheese.  Any book you can't buy now, keep, like volo's ($80 new) and mord's tome of foes ($89 new).  Plus as bad as they are bound, buy them now before you are going to only get used.

S'mon

#34
November 18, 2024, 03:36:35 PM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 18, 2024, 02:09:06 PMIf you give them to him, they are going to come back covered in beer and nacho cheese.  Any book you can't buy now, keep, like volo's ($80 new) and mord's tome of foes ($89 new).  Plus as bad as they are bound, buy them now before you are going to only get used.

Knowing him they're probably safer with him than if I were using them... also nacho cheese not a thing in UK. :) Anyway if I give him a book it'll be his, not a loan. That said, I am now tempted to sell Volo's & Mord's ToF :D
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Ratman_tf

#35
November 18, 2024, 04:44:39 PM
Quote from: S'mon on November 18, 2024, 03:36:35 PM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 18, 2024, 02:09:06 PMIf you give them to him, they are going to come back covered in beer and nacho cheese.  Any book you can't buy now, keep, like volo's ($80 new) and mord's tome of foes ($89 new).  Plus as bad as they are bound, buy them now before you are going to only get used.

Knowing him they're probably safer with him than if I were using them... also nacho cheese not a thing in UK. :)

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honeydipperdavid

#36
November 18, 2024, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: S'mon on November 18, 2024, 03:36:35 PM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 18, 2024, 02:09:06 PMIf you give them to him, they are going to come back covered in beer and nacho cheese.  Any book you can't buy now, keep, like volo's ($80 new) and mord's tome of foes ($89 new).  Plus as bad as they are bound, buy them now before you are going to only get used.

Knowing him they're probably safer with him than if I were using them... also nacho cheese not a thing in UK. :) Anyway if I give him a book it'll be his, not a loan. That said, I am now tempted to sell Volo's & Mord's ToF :D

Both are actually really good books with great lore condensed and set in a digestible format without sensitivity readers draining them of all flavor.  I mean sell them, but they are good books.  Pretty much every WotC 5E book up to the beginning of 2020 were ok to good.  After WotC went BLM and overt Race Marixt mid 2020 that's when they could write shit.

S'mon

#37
November 19, 2024, 02:14:49 AM Last Edit: November 19, 2024, 02:16:30 AM by S'mon
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 18, 2024, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: S'mon on November 18, 2024, 03:36:35 PM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 18, 2024, 02:09:06 PMIf you give them to him, they are going to come back covered in beer and nacho cheese.  Any book you can't buy now, keep, like volo's ($80 new) and mord's tome of foes ($89 new).  Plus as bad as they are bound, buy them now before you are going to only get used.

Knowing him they're probably safer with him than if I were using them... also nacho cheese not a thing in UK. :) Anyway if I give him a book it'll be his, not a loan. That said, I am now tempted to sell Volo's & Mord's ToF :D

Both are actually really good books with great lore condensed and set in a digestible format without sensitivity readers draining them of all flavor.  I mean sell them, but they are good books.  Pretty much every WotC 5E book up to the beginning of 2020 were ok to good.  After WotC went BLM and overt Race Marixt mid 2020 that's when they could write shit.

Yeah they are fine, I used Volo's a bit but not nearly as much as Kobold Press Tome of Beasts. Oh I/we have used the new PC races a fair bit. Mord's I think I used exactly once, for the Grey Render. Not being Open Content really hurts them as the monsters don't appear in 3rd party products; I don't think they appear in WoTC stuff even.

I finished with 5e when my 5e Stonehell ended a few months ago & have no plans to run it again. So it would probably make sense to thin out my book case. I should see what my son wants first though.
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Man at Arms

#38
November 19, 2024, 05:08:23 AM
Quote from: S'mon on November 19, 2024, 02:14:49 AM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 18, 2024, 10:30:41 PM
Quote from: S'mon on November 18, 2024, 03:36:35 PM
Quote from: honeydipperdavid on November 18, 2024, 02:09:06 PMIf you give them to him, they are going to come back covered in beer and nacho cheese.  Any book you can't buy now, keep, like volo's ($80 new) and mord's tome of foes ($89 new).  Plus as bad as they are bound, buy them now before you are going to only get used.

Knowing him they're probably safer with him than if I were using them... also nacho cheese not a thing in UK. :) Anyway if I give him a book it'll be his, not a loan. That said, I am now tempted to sell Volo's & Mord's ToF :D

Both are actually really good books with great lore condensed and set in a digestible format without sensitivity readers draining them of all flavor.  I mean sell them, but they are good books.  Pretty much every WotC 5E book up to the beginning of 2020 were ok to good.  After WotC went BLM and overt Race Marixt mid 2020 that's when they could write shit.

Yeah they are fine, I used Volo's a bit but not nearly as much as Kobold Press Tome of Beasts. Oh I/we have used the new PC races a fair bit. Mord's I think I used exactly once, for the Grey Render. Not being Open Content really hurts them as the monsters don't appear in 3rd party products; I don't think they appear in WoTC stuff even.

I finished with 5e when my 5e Stonehell ended a few months ago & have no plans to run it again. So it would probably make sense to thin out my book case. I should see what my son wants first though.


There are a few, very interesting creatures in Volo's.  Then it's mostly just some alternate player races, if your players want something different.  It was a very popular book; back when adventurers league only allowed the PHB+1 book, for character options.

Ruprecht

#39
November 20, 2024, 11:58:21 AM
Quote from: Abraxus on November 13, 2024, 05:07:21 PM1E DMg had a huge wealth of information, coupled with some of the shittiest, piss poor organization ( even for rpg book of that time. 
In the era of PDFs I'm amazed nobody has re-organized the core AD&D books so they make a bit more sense. * Merge the three monster books and remove the crappy entries, add a few monsters from the Dieties & Demigods. Add the random encounters tables to the thing.
* Merge the Players Handbook with the few useful bits from Unearthed Arcana.
* Re-organize the DM's Guide.
Yes it wouldn't be copyright legal but I imagine such a thing, if released for free would be popular enough that it would be passed around despite WotC legal threats.
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Ruprecht

#40
November 20, 2024, 12:00:12 PM
By the way Professor Dungeon Master dropped a video praising the new DMG for what it's worth. So there is someone that likes it.
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing. ~Robert E. Howard

Darrin Kelley

#41
November 20, 2024, 04:38:20 PM Last Edit: November 20, 2024, 05:30:04 PM by Darrin Kelley
The more I hear about the 2024 edition of D&D, the more I want to stay as far as I can from it. The fact that half the credits are are taken by DEI censors turns me the heck off. I won't be buying it. Won't be caring to look at it.

I made my choice. I went with Tales Of The Valiant as my alternative. And it suits me fine enough. Kobold Press made a version of 5e that I can actually stomach. With books that aren't filled with irrelevant crap. Instead of the actual tools a GM actually needs to run the game.
 

Ruprecht

#42
November 23, 2024, 03:02:22 PM
I think Blackrazor leans left, having said that his review is scathing.
http://bxblackrazor.blogspot.com/2024/11/the-death-of-adventure.html
Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing. ~Robert E. Howard
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