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DEI Recasting in Nu-D&D DMG's Greyhawk

Started by RPGPundit, November 08, 2024, 06:23:15 PM

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RPGPundit

November 08, 2024, 06:23:15 PM
The new �#dnd5e� �#onednd� DMG brings back the Greyhawk setting to �#dnd� but it's clearly not written by fans. But don't worry it definitely does have DEI approval!



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November 08, 2024, 06:26:14 PM
At least they haven't shit on Dark Sun, yet...........

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November 08, 2024, 07:47:10 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on November 08, 2024, 06:23:15 PMThe new �#dnd5e� �#onednd� DMG brings back the Greyhawk setting to �#dnd� but it's clearly not written by fans. But don't worry it definitely does have DEI approval!





Everything about new D&D favors DEI over canon. The people making the game surely hate most of the fan base.

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November 08, 2024, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Man at Arms on November 08, 2024, 06:26:14 PMAt least they haven't shit on Dark Sun, yet...........

Dark Sun and Mystara seem to be the only two settings safe from intervention by WotC
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November 08, 2024, 09:34:24 PM
Only because Dark Sun is so 80s metal that WotC is afraid to even remotely touch it without a top to bottom rewrite that would just make fans of the setting not buy it, and they seem to realize that.  You can't stick a few token trannies into Dark Sun to "fix" it like they've been trying with the other settings.

Darrin Kelley

#5
November 08, 2024, 10:36:38 PM
Like I said before. Sweet Baby Inc. worked for WotC to do the DEI stuff. Their fingerprints are all over this new version of D&D. And the Gygax hate book. All of it is straight out of their playbook.
 

HappyDaze

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November 08, 2024, 11:59:14 PM
I wouldn't recommend the 2024 DMG for the Greyhawk content alone, but if you're already buying the book and don't already know (or are willing to forget) the original Greyhawk, then it provides a fine primer for an alternate take on a classic setting.

Man at Arms

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November 09, 2024, 01:53:48 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 08, 2024, 11:59:14 PMI wouldn't recommend the 2024 DMG for the Greyhawk content alone, but if you're already buying the book and don't already know (or are willing to forget) the original Greyhawk, then it provides a fine primer for an alternate take on a classic setting.


It may be safer to say, that the book includes a nice setting map.  Just as the new Planescape box set, includes a nice setting map.  Those new maps, end up being expensive.

Man at Arms

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November 09, 2024, 02:00:18 AM
Quote from: Valatar on November 08, 2024, 09:34:24 PMOnly because Dark Sun is so 80s metal that WotC is afraid to even remotely touch it without a top to bottom rewrite that would just make fans of the setting not buy it, and they seem to realize that.  You can't stick a few token trannies into Dark Sun to "fix" it like they've been trying with the other settings.


Slavery is a part of life, in core Dark Sun.  That may keep them, from ever revisiting it.  If they ever do, they will crap all over it. 

The truth is, I prefer to enjoy Dark Sun without that mess.  Dark Sun has more to offer, than that.  You can't take resources for granted, in Dark Sun.  Many different ways, to bite the dust.

Omega

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November 09, 2024, 08:16:37 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit on November 08, 2024, 09:08:00 PM
Quote from: Man at Arms on November 08, 2024, 06:26:14 PMAt least they haven't shit on Dark Sun, yet...........

Dark Sun and Mystara seem to be the only two settings safe from intervention by WotC

So far.

They could totally wreck it in the name of "social justice". Mystara they could decide to ruin simply because Arneson was partially connected to it and all the original creators of D&D are of course horrible white males according to wotc.

The likely only reason they have not yet is they were too busy prepping fake 5e.

Al Qadim and Oriental Adventures are two more they could go after. And of course Gamma World. Though I can not imagine them fucking it up more than they did with the version using 4e D&D.

Omega

#10
November 09, 2024, 08:20:49 AM
Quote from: Valatar on November 08, 2024, 09:34:24 PMOnly because Dark Sun is so 80s metal that WotC is afraid to even remotely touch it without a top to bottom rewrite that would just make fans of the setting not buy it, and they seem to realize that.  You can't stick a few token trannies into Dark Sun to "fix" it like they've been trying with the other settings.

You think that would stop them? Its not stopped anyone from completely fucking up every IP they can lay hands on. In fact that would be MORE incentive to fuck it up.

Dark Sun: Water World!

Armchair Gamer

#11
November 09, 2024, 09:31:48 AM
Mystara gets a fairly extensive section in the new Worlds & Realms coffee table book.

There's been noise about doing something with Dark Sun as well, but it seems to be running into the fact that it's very 'problematic.'

The TSR setting I'd say is safest from WotC interference is Birthright, especially since it's the first one they killed, back in 1998. :)

Ruprecht

#12
November 09, 2024, 09:44:12 AM
Surprised they go for Mystara and lean into a few non-western regions as the focus. 

Probably consider them all cultural appropriation or something.
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finarvyn

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November 09, 2024, 10:04:23 AM
I have a very progressive family and they happen to like all of the strange races in 5E, so I look at that content through a different lens than many others do. If it was just me I would stick with the original material as presented in my old 1980 Greyhawk Folio, but my family likes the "Mos Eisley" feel of modern D&D and the remaking of Greyhawk into that feel will be a plus as far as my table is concerned. I'm thinking of running a Greyhawk campaign for my group and will probably pattern it from the 2024 DMG rather than 1980 folio.

I do miss the good old days, however.
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M2A0

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November 09, 2024, 12:06:58 PM
Quote from: Darrin Kelley on November 08, 2024, 10:36:38 PMLike I said before. Sweet Baby Inc. worked for WotC to do the DEI stuff. Their fingerprints are all over this new version of D&D. And the Gygax hate book. All of it is straight out of their playbook.

Just look at the credits of the new PHB. The section once full of Grub, Pundit, Zak, etc is now 1/2 VTT peeps, and 1/2 DEI consultants.
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