Quote from: Omega on October 19, 2024, 07:45:12 PMGundam.

I picked up some episodes translated to english on VHS of the original series and just found it sub par compared to other mecha and anime shows. Definitely not what was expecting.

One of the problems with coming to OG Gundam in 2024 is that OG Gundam was so successful that most of the innovations it brought to the table have been imitated so widely that they are now the expected defaults for anime of that genre.

You're not seeing it as the reaction to 1970s Super Robots that it is. In its day it was shocking and revolutionary.

But viewed through the lens of nearly every show that followed it, it is simply what you'd expect.

The original 1930s Frankenstein movie has similar problems, where you see the iconic visual of Frankenstein's castle perched on a stormy crag, and if you're my age, you first saw that image in Bugs Bunny and Flintstones cartoons, and it has no impact for you.

I think the same thing happened when I tried to show my nephew Star Wars for the first time. For him it was just another sci fi movie.

Quote from: Lurkndog on October 23, 2024, 04:50:30 PMI think the same thing happened when I tried to show my nephew Star Wars for the first time. For him it was just another sci fi movie.

Makes me sad. I think a lot of modern (scifi) movies lack a certain amount of storytelling skill.

For example.



I'll take the WOK battles any day over the CGI nightmare of nuTrek. But it's a lot of mindless action, and that appeals to kids and the majority of moviegoers I guess.
Apply that sentiment to a lot (not all) of modern movies versus the "old" stuff. I guess I'm, a crotchey old grognard now.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 23, 2024, 09:55:49 PMI'll take the WOK battles any day over the CGI nightmare of nuTrek. But it's a lot of mindless action, and that appeals to kids and the majority of moviegoers I guess.

I'm not sure that it does. The reboot trek movies made between $340-470 million each at the box office. Respectable numbers, but not smash hits when they reportedly had close to $200 million budgets. Applying the fairly standard math of doubling the reported budget to account for marketing and distribution, they just about broke even. They don't release numbers for the streaming shows, so it's hard to say how successful they are. From around the internet, the impression I get is that the old trek fans tend to hate them, and there's no sign of a big bump of new trek fans coming in.

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Quote from: Lurkndog on October 23, 2024, 04:50:30 PMI think the same thing happened when I tried to show my nephew Star Wars for the first time. For him it was just another sci fi movie.

I'll take the WOK battles any day over the CGI nightmare of nuTrek. But it's a lot of mindless action, and that appeals to kids and the majority of moviegoers I guess.
Apply that sentiment to a lot (not all) of modern movies versus the "old" stuff. I guess I'm, a crotchey old grognard now.

Star Trek Beyond isn't the first movie to fall apart in the third reel and turn into a CGI garbage fight, but it's a good example of that. Pity, there were some good character moments in the earlier parts of the movie.

Quote from: ForgottenF on October 24, 2024, 08:11:34 AMI'll take the WOK battles any day over the CGI nightmare of nuTrek. But it's a lot of mindless action, and that appeals to kids and the majority of moviegoers I guess.

Does it?  Star Trek Beyond lost around $50 million. 

Quote from: yosemitemike on October 24, 2024, 08:08:45 PM

Quote from: ForgottenF on October 24, 2024, 08:11:34 AMI'll take the WOK battles any day over the CGI nightmare of nuTrek. But it's a lot of mindless action, and that appeals to kids and the majority of moviegoers I guess.

Does it?  Star Trek Beyond lost around $50 million. 

Like I said, I'm guessing. They keep making these schlock fests.

Quote from: Lurkndog on October 23, 2024, 04:50:30 PMOne of the problems with coming to OG Gundam in 2024 is that OG Gundam was so successful that most of the innovations it brought to the table have been imitated so widely that they are now the expected defaults for anime of that genre.

Nah. This was back in the 90s. It was the story and action that just did not grab me.

Much same with Votoms for example.

Wheras Dougram, while a bit plodding, had a more interesting plotline.

Never did get to finish collecting all the episodes of Orgus. Started off a bit slow and meanders. But looked like was going to pick up.

Dancouga was the first series ever actually completed collecting. Its ok. Meanders a bit in the middle. But at least got from point A to point B.

Dunbine I just have not ever made it past the first few episodes. Starts off shakey but everyone says it kicks into gear after a few episodes.

And as noted a few months ago. Made it through Galient. That on had so much weirdness it held interest despite plodding a little. Really interesting setting and the story takes so many weird turns. It ends though really abruptly.

All of those are on the older side.

Escaflowne was a more new-er series at the time and another one actually completed collecting all the episodes as they were released in the US. Like Galient and Dunbine it is another mix of fantasy and tech. But leans more into the fantasy. It was interesting. Felt like it lost its way near the end. But at least wrapped things up by the end.

Quote from: ForgottenF on October 24, 2024, 08:11:34 AMI get is that the old trek fans tend to hate them, and there's no sign of a big bump of new trek fans coming in.

The dislike comes from the treatment of the characters and the complete screwover of the timeline and the characters. The second movie was even worse.

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Quote from: Lurkndog on October 23, 2024, 04:50:30 PMI think the same thing happened when I tried to show my nephew Star Wars for the first time. For him it was just another sci fi movie.

I'll take the WOK battles any day over the CGI nightmare of nuTrek. But it's a lot of mindless action, and that appeals to kids and the majority of moviegoers I guess.
Apply that sentiment to a lot (not all) of modern movies versus the "old" stuff. I guess I'm, a crotchey old grognard now.

Star Trek Beyond isn't the first movie to fall apart in the third reel and turn into a CGI garbage fight, but it's a good example of that. Pity, there were some good character moments in the earlier parts of the movie.

For me part of the problem is the incoherent plot. The other problem is they destroy the enterprise... AGAIN!

These are two things in the ST movies that I m sick to death of. Time Travel plots and Destroying the Enterprise.

Voyage Home, Generations, First Contact, NuTrek, Time travel in each set.
Search for Spock, Generations, Beyond, Enterprise destroyed each set.

Time travel is the kudzu of sci fi. It's usually not the original point of the show/movie, but it gets brought in for a one-time storyline, and then afterwards you can't get rid of it and it keeps coming back unwanted.

In the original series they did it twice accidentally and once for research.

In TNG I dont think they did it much at all till Time's Arrow. Cant remember any others aside from the final episode. Not counting the odd memory flip one.

Deep Space 9 used it now and then but do not think they used it alot. Not counting the time elementals. I recall Quark going back in time, and an episode I missed where they go back to the TOS era, and one of the annual "torture Obrien" episodes where he ping ponged in time, and one where Sisko is stuck in a time trap.

Voyager I lost track of all the time travel episodes.

Have not seen much of Enterprise past the first 3 or so episodes. But seems theres at least one where they go back in time. Not counting the odd one where they go back in time into the Mirror Universe.

Speaking of, thats another ST gimmik thats been over used. Though dont think it was ever used in TNG or Voyager.

Quote from: Omega on October 25, 2024, 06:07:06 PMIn the original series they did it twice accidentally and once for research.

In TNG I dont think they did it much at all till Time's Arrow. Cant remember any others aside from the final episode. Not counting the odd memory flip one.

Deep Space 9 used it now and then but do not think they used it alot. Not counting the time elementals. I recall Quark going back in time, and an episode I missed where they go back to the TOS era, and one of the annual "torture Obrien" episodes where he ping ponged in time, and one where Sisko is stuck in a time trap.

Voyager I lost track of all the time travel episodes.

Have not seen much of Enterprise past the first 3 or so episodes. But seems theres at least one where they go back in time. Not counting the odd one where they go back in time into the Mirror Universe.

Speaking of, thats another ST gimmik thats been over used. Though dont think it was ever used in TNG or Voyager.

Enterprise starts with the Temporal Cold War, arguably making the whole series a time travel story. I'm so glad they wrapped that up because it was half assed and not going anywhere interesting.

The funny thing about the DS9 Mirror Universe episodes is that DS9 was already a "darker" Trek, so I felt including the Mirror Universe was kinda redundant. The campy evil of the mirror Terran Empire just didn't fit DS9's tone either.

I used to hate the "Year of Hell" two parter for Voyager, because it was the epitome of "Reset Button", but on re-watch, the bit that redeems it, IMO, is that the antagonist, Annorax, was trying to restore the timeline, but his presence as the thing changing history was the thing preventing him from restoring the timeline. Nice twist at the end, that.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on October 25, 2024, 07:03:15 PMEnterprise starts with the Temporal Cold War, arguably making the whole series a time travel story. I'm so glad they wrapped that up because it was half assed and not going anywhere interesting.

Yes. But they dont actually time travel all that much. I recall Archer getting yanked into the future like twice, but that was brief. But I missed alot of Enterprise so probably missed any escalation of that.

I liked old Trek and the movies, thought TNG was meh and everything after was an abomination. In fact, I recently bought the 4K director's cut version of ST:TMP (V-Ger movie). It really upsets me they didn't just bring the original cast back for another 3-5 year run instead of just getting movies.

On another note, I'm a fan of Grandizer, anyone know anything about the new U?

Theres apparently a bunch of those in the works.

I saw one for Voltes V and initially looked interesting. But the actors look bored and it just did not feel right. I know someone was working a few years ago on a live action Grendeizer but never saw any followups.