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Opinions on the Greyhawk coverage in the 2024 DMG

Started by HappyDaze, November 06, 2024, 03:00:28 AM

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HappyDaze

November 06, 2024, 03:00:28 AM
The Greyhawk coverage is only 28 pages (plus a detachable map of the Flanaess), but it's still more coverage than Greyhawk has had for 20 years. I'm fairly familiar with Greyhawk, and little seems to be changed from what I remember (it's definately pre-Wars and the Great Kingdom hasn't fractured yet). Perhaps the only change that immediately jumped out at me is that, while the Pomarj is still filled with bandits and marauders, it doesn't seem to mention that they're humanoids (IIRC, there were both humans and lots of orcs in Pomarj).

Exploderwizard

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November 06, 2024, 12:35:14 PM
The Pamarj used to be filled with maurauding orcs but now they are all taking a siesta.
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Tristan

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November 06, 2024, 12:59:49 PM
They also diversified the leadership of the various nations as well as some populations, changing them from the old boxed set.
 

HappyDaze

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November 06, 2024, 01:31:45 PM
Quote from: Tristan on November 06, 2024, 12:59:49 PMThey also diversified the leadership of the various nations as well as some populations, changing them from the old boxed set.
I'm most familiar with the RPGA Guide to Greyhawk (1999-ish I think). Which nations changed leaders?

Tristan

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November 06, 2024, 01:46:12 PM
I'm heading back to work, but here's a few,

Dyvers Magister, Greyhawk Librarian, Highfolk mayor, the leaders of the Horned society, Perrenland, Shield Lands, Verbobonc, the South Province, Almor, Idee, Irongate, etc. etc.  Honestly quite a lot of them have been changed.

I'm not familiar with the RPGA Guide to know how much that changed from '83.

Many are name changes, some are race swaps (Dragonborn, actual dragons, etc.), some are gender swaps.
 

Nobleshield

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November 06, 2024, 03:27:37 PM
I don't like that they renamed Scarlet Brotherhood to Scarlet Order because "brotherhood" is apparently bad now. The other renames I get, since Blackmoor they probably couldn't use for legal reasons (but at least "Arn" is a nod to Arneson so it's not erasure), Caliphate has specific connotations (also a terrorist org uses it IIRC), and Paynim is literally "heathen" so renaming those and the barbarian tribes to use their actual names (which were in the old box anyway) isn't a big deal to me.

If they apparently gender or race swapped leaders from the original though that's a huge red flag.

Omega

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November 06, 2024, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 06, 2024, 03:00:28 AMPerhaps the only change that immediately jumped out at me is that, while the Pomarj is still filled with bandits and marauders, it doesn't seem to mention that they're humanoids (IIRC, there were both humans and lots of orcs in Pomarj).

Orcs of the Pomarj was some saying in Greyhawk I came across. Probably the World of Gryhawk boxed set?

Omega

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November 06, 2024, 04:04:27 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard on November 06, 2024, 12:35:14 PMThe Pamarj used to be filled with maurauding orcs but now they are all taking a siesta.

Nah, thats Red Steel. aheh.

Omega

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November 06, 2024, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 06, 2024, 01:31:45 PM
Quote from: Tristan on November 06, 2024, 12:59:49 PMThey also diversified the leadership of the various nations as well as some populations, changing them from the old boxed set.
I'm most familiar with the RPGA Guide to Greyhawk (1999-ish I think). Which nations changed leaders?

In the WOG there were only 2 female leaders of nations noted.

HappyDaze

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November 06, 2024, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: Nobleshield on November 06, 2024, 03:27:37 PMIf they apparently gender or race swapped leaders from the original though that's a huge red flag.
They did change a few to species that are presented in the 2024 PHB. For example, the librarian is now a dragonborn. I don't see this as a "huge red flag" but I'm not looking for reasons to be offended, and IMO these changes hardly impact the play of the game other than letting players know that these species exist among the NPCs of the world (the art has a few dragonborn in the background too).

HappyDaze

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November 06, 2024, 04:21:44 PM
Quote from: Omega on November 06, 2024, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 06, 2024, 01:31:45 PM
Quote from: Tristan on November 06, 2024, 12:59:49 PMThey also diversified the leadership of the various nations as well as some populations, changing them from the old boxed set.
I'm most familiar with the RPGA Guide to Greyhawk (1999-ish I think). Which nations changed leaders?

In the WOG there were only 2 female leaders of nations noted.
The Queen of Celene and...um...who else?

Omega

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November 06, 2024, 04:35:54 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 06, 2024, 04:21:44 PM
Quote from: Omega on November 06, 2024, 04:11:54 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 06, 2024, 01:31:45 PM
Quote from: Tristan on November 06, 2024, 12:59:49 PMThey also diversified the leadership of the various nations as well as some populations, changing them from the old boxed set.
I'm most familiar with the RPGA Guide to Greyhawk (1999-ish I think). Which nations changed leaders?

In the WOG there were only 2 female leaders of nations noted.
The Queen of Celene and...um...who else?

County of Urnst
Her Noble Brilliancy, the Countess Belissica of Urnst

Tristan

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November 06, 2024, 05:28:28 PM
Nations with female ruler changes:
Dyvers
Greyhawk (possibly) Eric to Erlynn
Perrenland
Verbobonc
South Province
Lordship of the Isles
Sunndi (possibly) Hazendel to Valenta
Ice Barbarians
Snow Barbarians
Wolf Nomads
Geoff
Sterich
Principality of Ulek
Yeomanry (possibly) Crispin Redwell (human) to Vyndi Skyspea (goliath)
Ket
Ull

 

The Spaniard

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November 06, 2024, 07:33:50 PM
I'll stick to my '83 boxed set.

M2A0

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November 06, 2024, 08:56:57 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on November 06, 2024, 01:31:45 PM
Quote from: Tristan on November 06, 2024, 12:59:49 PMThey also diversified the leadership of the various nations as well as some populations, changing them from the old boxed set.
I'm most familiar with the RPGA Guide to Greyhawk (1999-ish I think). Which nations changed leaders?

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