Fuck the ridiculous and sad swift boating by couch fucker in waiting, there is real stolen valor afoot!

Mike Mearls has been regulated to an alphabetical placement within the 2014 5E designers, and Crawford has claimed, falsely, 10 years after the fact, the title of lead designer of 2014 5E. At best he could claim co-lead designer, and that would still be bullshit, since Mearls did all the heavy lifting.

What a POS!

It's on page 2 of the new PHB for those who are hate reading.

"The past is ever changing. Only the future is certain." - 1984

Quote from: M2A0 on August 12, 2024, 04:26:51 AMFuck the ridiculous and sad swift boating by couch fucker in waiting, there is real stolen valor afoot!

Mike Mearls has been regulated to an alphabetical placement within the 2014 5E designers, and Crawford has claimed, falsely, 10 years after the fact, the title of lead designer of 2014 5E. At best he could claim co-lead designer, and that would still be bullshit, since Mearls did all the heavy lifting.

What a POS!

It's on page 2 of the new PHB for those who are hate reading.

I haven't seen the book; are you sure he's claiming to have been "lead designer" of 2014 5e, and not that he's claiming to be "lead designer" of the new edition?

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 12, 2024, 09:27:28 AM

Quote from: M2A0 on August 12, 2024, 04:26:51 AMFuck the ridiculous and sad swift boating by couch fucker in waiting, there is real stolen valor afoot!

Mike Mearls has been regulated to an alphabetical placement within the 2014 5E designers, and Crawford has claimed, falsely, 10 years after the fact, the title of lead designer of 2014 5E. At best he could claim co-lead designer, and that would still be bullshit, since Mearls did all the heavy lifting.

What a POS!

It's on page 2 of the new PHB for those who are hate reading.

I haven't seen the book; are you sure he's claiming to have been "lead designer" of 2014 5e, and not that he's claiming to be "lead designer" of the new edition?

He does both actually.

The very first credit in the upper left hand corner of page 2 is -


Lead Designer Jeremy Crawford

Designers Christopher Perkins, Ben Petrisor, F. Wesley Schneider, Ray Winninger, James Wyatt

Rules Developers Jeremy Crawford (lead), (two other hard to read names)



Then on the right side of page 2 after the listing of all the other credits there is the following (final three listings)

Includes revised content from
Xanathar's Guide to Everything (2017) and Tasha's Cauldron of Everything (2020)

Based on the Player's Handbook (2014) designed by
Jeremy Crawford (lead), Bruce R. Cordell, Tom LaPike, Peter Law, Mike Mearls, Robert J. Schwalb, Rodney Thompson, James Wyatt

Building on the orginal game created by
Gary Gygax and Dave Arenson and then developed by many others over the past 50 years

I had to check, but my version of the PHB (2014) does indeed list Crawford as lead.

So IN THIS CASE it seems WotC is NOT rewriting history.

Quote from: M2A0 on August 12, 2024, 04:26:51 AMFuck the ridiculous and sad swift boating by couch fucker in waiting, there is real stolen valor afoot!

Mike Mearls has been regulated to an alphabetical placement within the 2014 5E designers, and Crawford has claimed, falsely, 10 years after the fact, the title of lead designer of 2014 5E. At best he could claim co-lead designer, and that would still be bullshit, since Mearls did all the heavy lifting.

What a POS!

It's on page 2 of the new PHB for those who are hate reading.

Show us that you have no concept of what stolen valor means without telling us that you have no concept of what stolen valor means.

Quote from: Eric Diaz on August 12, 2024, 11:59:59 AMI had to check, but my version of the PHB (2014) does indeed list Crawford as lead.

So IN THIS CASE it seems WotC is NOT rewriting history.

If you actually paid attention you would see that on page 4 of the 2014 PHB, Mike Mearls writes the forward, (the traditional job of the lead designer.)

The pre-purge version of the 2014 PHB before Pundit & Zack were removed the designers were listed as -

D&D Lead Designers: Mike Mearls, Jeremy Crawford, Jennifer Clarke Wilkes, Steve Winter, Nina Hess, Steve Townsend, Chris Youngs, Ben Petrisor, Tom Olson.

In the post-purge version of the 2014 PHB, the Lead Designers are listed as: Mike Mearls, Jeremy Crawford.

And so you don't have to scroll up to my first post. The new 2024 PHB lists only Jeremy Crawford as lead designer for both the 2014 & the 2024 versions.

So to sum up, you would be wrong. At best he was co-lead designer in 2014. Anyone who was involved with the creation of 5E, knows that Mearls did the heavy lifting and was the main designer.

Quote from: jeff37923 on August 12, 2024, 12:09:14 PM

Quote from: M2A0 on August 12, 2024, 04:26:51 AMFuck the ridiculous and sad swift boating by couch fucker in waiting, there is real stolen valor afoot!

Mike Mearls has been regulated to an alphabetical placement within the 2014 5E designers, and Crawford has claimed, falsely, 10 years after the fact, the title of lead designer of 2014 5E. At best he could claim co-lead designer, and that would still be bullshit, since Mearls did all the heavy lifting.

What a POS!

It's on page 2 of the new PHB for those who are hate reading.

Show us that you have no concept of what stolen valor means without telling us that you have no concept of what stolen valor means.

All I know is that the side who swift boated John Kerry for killing a VC soldier with a BA-40 have no concept of honor, and can always be counted on to take the most heinous position on just about anything.

Quote from: Eric Diaz on August 12, 2024, 11:59:59 AMI had to check, but my version of the PHB (2014) does indeed list Crawford as lead.

So IN THIS CASE it seems WotC is NOT rewriting history.

The top credits in my "First Printing: August 2014" copy are:

QuoteD&D Lead Designers: Mike Mearls, Jeremy Crawford

Player's Handbook Lead: Jeremy Crawford
Rules Development: Rodney Thompson, Peter Lee
Writing: James Wyatt, Robert J. Schwalb, Bruce R. Cordell

That's the same names as the 2014 credits in M2A0's Reply #3, lumping all the categories together and putting them alphabetically by last name, except for Crawford - who was listed as the lead for the 2014 PHB.

In 2014 Mearls does get a special credit as co-lead designer of 5E in general which isn't mentioned in the shorter credit line. But Crawford's claim of lead for the 5E PHB is accurate to the original.

EDITED TO ADD: My copy also includes credit to the RPGPundit and Zak S as the last line, after playtesters.

QuotePlaytesting provided by
over 175,000 fans of D&D. Thank you!
Additional consultation provided by:
Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Kevin Kulp, Robin Laws, S. John Ross, the RPGPundit, Vincent Venturella, and Zak S

Quote from: jhkim on August 12, 2024, 12:57:20 PM

Quote from: Eric Diaz on August 12, 2024, 11:59:59 AMI had to check, but my version of the PHB (2014) does indeed list Crawford as lead. In both versions of the 2014 credits page Mike Mearls is given first billing.

So IN THIS CASE it seems WotC is NOT rewriting history.

The top credits in my "First Printing: August 2014" copy are:

QuoteD&D Lead Designers: Mike Mearls, Jeremy Crawford

Player's Handbook Lead: Jeremy Crawford
Rules Development: Rodney Thompson, Peter Lee
Writing: James Wyatt, Robert J. Schwalb, Bruce R. Cordell

That's the same names as the 2014 credits in M2A0's Reply #3, lumping all the categories together and putting them alphabetically by last name, except for Crawford - who was listed as the lead for the 2014 PHB.

In 2014 Mearls does get a special credit as co-lead designer of 5E in general which isn't mentioned in the shorter credit line. But Crawford's claim of lead for the 5E PHB is accurate to the original.

EDITED TO ADD: My copy also includes credit to the RPGPundit and Zak S as the last line, after playtesters.

QuotePlaytesting provided by
over 175,000 fans of D&D. Thank you!
Additional consultation provided by:
Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Kevin Kulp, Robin Laws, S. John Ross, the RPGPundit, Vincent Venturella, and Zak S

Ok, so technically Crawford was the lead designer of the 2014 PHB, but not of 2014 D&D. That would have been Mearls, which is why he appears as a lead designer in the 2014 PHB, even though Crawford is the book lead. In both versions of the 2014 credits, Mearls is given top billing.

This would be like saying Jonathan Tweet & Monte Cook weren't lead designers of 3.0 because Skip Williams was the lead on the Monster Manual. All 3 were lead designers, assigned to one of the 3 core books. Though I'd argue that Tweet & Cook were the main designers that go around.

Crawford being PHB lead actually did escape my attention till now, so I'll give him that, he was the 2014 PHB lead, just like Tweet was the PHB lead in 1999/2000.

Quote from: M2A0 on August 12, 2024, 12:45:55 PMAll I know is that the side who swift boated John Kerry for killing a VC soldier with a BA-40 have no concept of honor, and can always be counted on to take the most heinous position on just about anything.

You shouldn't use the term stolen valor if you don't know what it means. You shouldn't complain about swift boating while repeating the already repudiated nonsense about the couch. You shouldn't bring up politics in a thread that has nothing to do with politics.

Quote from: jhkim on August 12, 2024, 12:57:20 PMThe top credits in my "First Printing: August 2014" copy are:

QuoteD&D Lead Designers: Mike Mearls, Jeremy Crawford

Player's Handbook Lead: Jeremy Crawford
Rules Development: Rodney Thompson, Peter Lee
Writing: James Wyatt, Robert J. Schwalb, Bruce R. Cordell

That's the same names as the 2014 credits in M2A0's Reply #3, lumping all the categories together and putting them alphabetically by last name, except for Crawford - who was listed as the lead for the 2014 PHB.

In 2014 Mearls does get a special credit as co-lead designer of 5E in general which isn't mentioned in the shorter credit line. But Crawford's claim of lead for the 5E PHB is accurate to the original.

EDITED TO ADD: My copy also includes credit to the RPGPundit and Zak S as the last line, after playtesters.

QuotePlaytesting provided by
over 175,000 fans of D&D. Thank you!
Additional consultation provided by:
Jeff Grubb, Kenneth Hite, Kevin Kulp, Robin Laws, S. John Ross, the RPGPundit, Vincent Venturella, and Zak S

My copy (1st printing, Aug 2014) says that as well.

Quote from: Ruprecht on August 12, 2024, 04:25:32 PM

Quote from: M2A0 on August 12, 2024, 12:45:55 PMAll I know is that the side who swift boated John Kerry for killing a VC soldier with a BA-40 have no concept of honor, and can always be counted on to take the most heinous position on just about anything.

You shouldn't use the term stolen valor if you don't know what it means. You shouldn't complain about swift boating while repeating the already repudiated nonsense about the couch. You shouldn't bring up politics in a thread that has nothing to do with politics.

Yeah, that was a poor way to open what otherwise could have been an interesting thread.

So you can't discuss the subject due to your triggered snowflake status?

How do you even function in life?

Quote from: Ruprecht on August 12, 2024, 04:25:32 PM

Quote from: M2A0 on August 12, 2024, 12:45:55 PMAll I know is that the side who swift boated John Kerry for killing a VC soldier with a BA-40 have no concept of honor, and can always be counted on to take the most heinous position on just about anything.

You shouldn't use the term stolen valor if you don't know what it means. You shouldn't complain about swift boating while repeating the already repudiated nonsense about the couch. You shouldn't bring up politics in a thread that has nothing to do with politics.

Greetings!

Absolutely right, Ruprecht!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK