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WoTC Confirms All-in With VTT

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Orphan81

#15
August 08, 2024, 07:05:11 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on August 08, 2024, 05:37:55 PM
Quote from: Orphan81 on August 08, 2024, 12:14:49 PMPundit was an asshole and petty for naming you specifically in the video, that was a mistake and very low of him.



I don't think I was the one being petty. Mistwell came on my thread and claimed I was a liar and a grifter, that I was intentionally manipulating my audience, and that I would be proven wrong and would then lie to cover it up.

So he in essence called me scum.

Me explicitly pointing out that he's the one who is either an idiot or a liar is just a very minimal level of getting restitution.

I'm just saying, you have the platform, you have the greater reach. He's one regular forum dude. You didn't need to name drop him to make him a subject of ridicule. You could have eluded to him and we would have all known who you were talking about, but naming him specifically in a youtube video is mean spirited considering the greater pull you have... and the fact he's not being an overt asshole, he's just being deluded.
1. Some of you culture warriors are so committed to the bit you'll throw out any nuance or common sense in fear it's 'giving in' to the other side.

2. I'm a married homeowner with a career and a child. I won life. You can't insult me.

3. I work in a Prison, your tough guy act is boring.

Eirikrautha

#16
August 08, 2024, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: M2A0 on August 08, 2024, 07:02:39 PMThere is not enough of a profit margin on printed books to justify the salaries of the people who make them in late stage capitalism.

Funny, every other RPG company manages to do so in "late stage capitalism."  I love how you economic illiterates have to squeeze commie/socialist babble into everything.  Hasbro/WotC's decisions have nothing to do with "capitalism" (at a stretch, you could blame corporatism, but it's not necessary), and everything to do with extending the video game revenue stream to RPGs.  That, and the people in charge at WotC are Seattlites... so they probably agree with you on economics... which is why they fail...
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GeekyBugle

#17
August 08, 2024, 10:37:19 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2024, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: M2A0 on August 08, 2024, 07:02:39 PMThere is not enough of a profit margin on printed books to justify the salaries of the people who make them in late stage capitalism.

Funny, every other RPG company manages to do so in "late stage capitalism."  I love how you economic illiterates have to squeeze commie/socialist babble into everything.  Hasbro/WotC's decisions have nothing to do with "capitalism" (at a stretch, you could blame corporatism, but it's not necessary), and everything to do with extending the video game revenue stream to RPGs.  That, and the people in charge at WotC are Seattlites... so they probably agree with you on economics... which is why they fail...

He means the Kultural  Kommissars and diversity hires.
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M2A0

#18
August 08, 2024, 10:38:37 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2024, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: M2A0 on August 08, 2024, 07:02:39 PMThere is not enough of a profit margin on printed books to justify the salaries of the people who make them in late stage capitalism.

Funny, every other RPG company manages to do so in "late stage capitalism."  I love how you economic illiterates have to squeeze commie/socialist babble into everything.  Hasbro/WotC's decisions have nothing to do with "capitalism" (at a stretch, you could blame corporatism, but it's not necessary), and everything to do with extending the video game revenue stream to RPGs.  That, and the people in charge at WotC are Seattlites... so they probably agree with you on economics... which is why they fail...

Wild, I'm from Seattle, & I used to work at WotC. So you are 100% correct. Sorry if you thought you were slinging some arrows there buddy.

You're short sighted ideology doesn't change the brass tacks of publishing. The entire industry (which TTRPG is a microcosm of), is on the path to extinction.

Get woke to reality my friend.

M2A0

#19
August 08, 2024, 10:39:55 PM
Quote from: M2A0 on August 08, 2024, 10:38:37 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2024, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: M2A0 on August 08, 2024, 07:02:39 PMThere is not enough of a profit margin on printed books to justify the salaries of the people who make them in late stage capitalism.

Funny, every other RPG company manages to do so in "late stage capitalism."  I love how you economic illiterates have to squeeze commie/socialist babble into everything.  Hasbro/WotC's decisions have nothing to do with "capitalism" (at a stretch, you could blame corporatism, but it's not necessary), and everything to do with extending the video game revenue stream to RPGs.  That, and the people in charge at WotC are Seattlites... so they probably agree with you on economics... which is why they fail...

Wild, I'm from Seattle, & I used to work at WotC. So you are 100% correct. Sorry if you thought you were slinging some arrows there buddy.

Your short sighted ideology doesn't change the brass tacks of publishing. The entire industry (which TTRPG is a microcosm of), is on the path to extinction.

Get woke to reality my friend.

Eirikrautha

#20
August 08, 2024, 11:19:43 PM
Quote from: M2A0 on August 08, 2024, 10:38:37 PM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2024, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: M2A0 on August 08, 2024, 07:02:39 PMThere is not enough of a profit margin on printed books to justify the salaries of the people who make them in late stage capitalism.

Funny, every other RPG company manages to do so in "late stage capitalism."  I love how you economic illiterates have to squeeze commie/socialist babble into everything.  Hasbro/WotC's decisions have nothing to do with "capitalism" (at a stretch, you could blame corporatism, but it's not necessary), and everything to do with extending the video game revenue stream to RPGs.  That, and the people in charge at WotC are Seattlites... so they probably agree with you on economics... which is why they fail...

Wild, I'm from Seattle, & I used to work at WotC. So you are 100% correct. Sorry if you thought you were slinging some arrows there buddy.

You're short sighted ideology doesn't change the brass tacks of publishing. The entire industry (which TTRPG is a microcosm of), is on the path to extinction.

Get woke to reality my friend.

Well, I'll give you credit.  At least you admit to being part of the problem.  That's... something... I guess.
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Omega

#21
August 09, 2024, 12:24:42 AM
Quote from: Mistwell on August 08, 2024, 12:19:41 AMThem adding new money to digital is not, in any way, a sign they won't be spending their normal money on books. How is "adding more money" on top of the regular budget saying anything about books? They didn't say all money will be spent on digital - they said they're adding MORE money FOR DIGITAL.

You keep assuming wotc will do sane things. But they have that nagging track record of being ruthlessly stupid and success adverse.

Personally I do not think they will go 100% digital and totally drop physical. Its just too stupid even for a bastion of stupid like wotc. Then again with people like Crawford involved all bets are off. "Modern play is about optimization!" so Fake 5e will push optimization according to Crawford in a vid.

You just can not predict what new stupid wotc will pull next.

They could pull the plug on Beyond and try and force everyone to rebuy. Or use it to erase 5e.

So we will see of they double down on the stupid and go fully digital after the core Fake'e books finish.

RPGPundit

#22
August 09, 2024, 09:57:19 AM
Quote from: Eirikrautha on August 08, 2024, 09:31:53 PM
Quote from: M2A0 on August 08, 2024, 07:02:39 PMThere is not enough of a profit margin on printed books to justify the salaries of the people who make them in late stage capitalism.

Funny, every other RPG company manages to do so in "late stage capitalism."  I love how you economic illiterates have to squeeze commie/socialist babble into everything.  Hasbro/WotC's decisions have nothing to do with "capitalism" (at a stretch, you could blame corporatism, but it's not necessary), and everything to do with extending the video game revenue stream to RPGs.  That, and the people in charge at WotC are Seattlites... so they probably agree with you on economics... which is why they fail...

It is a difference of expectations. For a small print publisher, if you're making $40000 a year that might be enough for you. For the increasingly rare mid-range companies, if you make $400000 in a year that could be enough.
But Hasbro works on a whole other scale of what kind of profit they consider to be "worth it". And we in fact know what the goal is for D&D: Cynthia Williams said it, they want D&D to be a $1 Billion dollar concern.
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#23
August 09, 2024, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: M2A0 on August 08, 2024, 10:38:37 PMThe entire industry (which TTRPG is a microcosm of), is on the path to extinction.

Get woke to reality my friend.

Holy shit, you actually believe this! You actually believe the TTRPG industry is going to cease to exist?

*Insert Good Fellas Laughing Gif Here*
*Insert JJJ Laughing Gif with 'You're serious?' here*

If anything, modern technology has meant the TTRPG is not going anywhere and will survive until the death of the earth. Anyone can make a product and put it into a PDF, anyone can run a Kickstarter and get money for an off set Print Run.

Fuck, Print on Demand is there for those who want it.

Are you stupid or just lying?
1. Some of you culture warriors are so committed to the bit you'll throw out any nuance or common sense in fear it's 'giving in' to the other side.

2. I'm a married homeowner with a career and a child. I won life. You can't insult me.

3. I work in a Prison, your tough guy act is boring.

M2A0

#24
August 09, 2024, 02:09:05 PM
I was speaking of the print industry, which TTRPGs are a microcosm of.

I'm not lying, and you can't read effectively.

Have a nice day.

Orphan81

#25
August 09, 2024, 03:33:23 PM
Quote from: M2A0 on August 09, 2024, 02:09:05 PMI was speaking of the print industry, which TTRPGs are a microcosm of.

I'm not lying, and you can't read effectively.

Have a nice day.

All those comic book Kickstarters, Indiegogos and the like that happen on a weekly basis and go into Print... They're all just going to stop being printed huh?

Oh you mean TRADITIONAL printing is going away... Oh yeah well no shit.

But everyone outside of Wotc and Paizo ditched traditional printing a decade ago. Where the hell have you been?
1. Some of you culture warriors are so committed to the bit you'll throw out any nuance or common sense in fear it's 'giving in' to the other side.

2. I'm a married homeowner with a career and a child. I won life. You can't insult me.

3. I work in a Prison, your tough guy act is boring.

Omega

#26
August 09, 2024, 09:36:06 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on August 09, 2024, 09:57:19 AMAnd we in fact know what the goal is for D&D: Cynthia Williams said it, they want D&D to be a $1 Billion dollar concern.

I get the impression that wotc never once talked to Hasbro about the logistics of board games. Which are in a very similar position to RPGs. One person buys the game and several people play.

Eirikrautha

#27
August 09, 2024, 11:19:28 PM
Quote from: Omega on August 09, 2024, 09:36:06 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit on August 09, 2024, 09:57:19 AMAnd we in fact know what the goal is for D&D: Cynthia Williams said it, they want D&D to be a $1 Billion dollar concern.

I get the impression that wotc never once talked to Hasbro...

You could have stopped right there...
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RPGPundit

#28
August 10, 2024, 01:18:50 AM
Quote from: M2A0 on August 09, 2024, 02:09:05 PMI was speaking of the print industry, which TTRPGs are a microcosm of.

I'm not lying, and you can't read effectively.

Have a nice day.

In one sense you're right: the traditional publishing industry is fucked. They have been for a very long time.

But the rise of pdfs and print on demand mean that now people don't need a big publishing house as the middle-man. People (like me) can make enough of a decent living while not dealing with any big publishers, and some people raise seven-figure kickstarters (though that's not always going to be as big a profit as it sounds).
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yosemitemike

#29
August 10, 2024, 01:39:31 AM
Quote from: M2A0 on August 09, 2024, 02:09:05 PMI was speaking of the print industry, which TTRPGs are a microcosm of.

I have been hearing that the print industry has been about to go extinct since the first e-reader devices came out back in the 90s.  It keeps not happening. 
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