Every race in nu-D&D is just a human and cosplay. "Equity"is to blame, as well as the idea that "humans represent white people", but it's also about the destruction of the heroic ideals.
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Pundit, question.

Do you like D&D, or have you given up on that game? 

I never had an attachment to it as I played Palladium. 

My guess is that writing your own games means you prefer your stuff over everything else?

D&D is the big name, in the RPG industry.

They are trying to give everyone what they want, except for the old fans that funded D&D for most of the last 50 years.  What a great plan, for long term success.

This is one of those "in theory" situations. In theory, I have no problem with a background as a miner giving you +1 strength, or even potentially better night-vision. My own setting includes something kind of like that. I also have no problem in theory with races not having mechanical differences, at least if I was running a very rules-light, non-simulationist game. If I was patching races into something like Barbarians of Lemuria, I probably wouldn't give them stat differences, just because the stat range in that game is so narrow.

You don't need attribute differences to have non-humans be non-human, at least not anywhere near as much as you need good roleplaying. Good roleplaying, of course, is in short supply. I've also never seen game statistics successfully enforce playing to type on gamers. Usually the most they achieve is to encourage min-maxing.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on July 30, 2024, 08:03:52 PMPundit, question.

Do you like D&D, or have you given up on that game? 

I never had an attachment to it as I played Palladium. 

My guess is that writing your own games means you prefer your stuff over everything else?

My stuff is OSR, so it is D&D-based.

So, I take that to mean, yes and no.

D&D is still a good game, including current 5E.  But, the past year or two have seen some weird and openly greed based developments in the D&D brand.  So, stick to what we have, but nothing from here on out seems like a good product.

Something along those lines?

I say this as it is become quite clear, almost everywhere on the internet at this point, that D&D 6E is going to be boycotted by people in the know. 

I agree with this I might add.  Like I said, I never had an attachment to the brand from day one, so I'm an outsider looking in, watching the implosion with detached fascination.

The bottom line is this.  I have not seen anything positive about D&D 6E by literally anybody online.  There is no positive buzz about this one.

The 5e cos-play theory hold true since you can have no legs and full mobility in the game.  :-D

Quote from: zircher on July 31, 2024, 11:02:20 AMThe 5e cos-play theory hold true since you can have no legs and full mobility in the game.  :-D

Flumph PCs have always allowed this.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on July 31, 2024, 09:22:06 AMThe bottom line is this.  I have not seen anything positive about D&D 6E by literally anybody online.  There is no positive buzz about this one.

WotC paid off a bunch of the big Youtube D&D content creators and gave them early access to start shilling. So it's there. A few of the Channels I even had a positive opinion of took the money and access and are out here singing 6e's Praises now.

Sorry to derail this as a critique of D&D6E as a whole.

As for this topic of races having no negatives, that's not a new thing.

I know plenty of gamers who won't accept any downsides.  They only play to win.  We call them Munchkins now, but I don't see this term used as much.  It might be going out of style. 

However, even I thought of elves and dwarves limits being based on level caps was odd.  Old D&D is good, but stuff like that is why I don't say it was great. 

In Palladium the downside of playing non-human was two-fold.  Elves and dwarves were cultures in decline.  They don't even have their own homelands anymore. 

Also, there is open racism in the game lore.  Not everywhere, but enough that non-humans would be excluded in human territory, and vice versus.  An Orc might not be allowed entry into a human village, or even attacked on site by a human village that gets raided by orc bands. 

That sort of thing isn't considered OK anymore by a lot of authors or players.  I think it's a good source of story and tension.  Also, it is make believe, so let's pretend that our world is great, but this game world isn't. 

I have noticed this for a while. I like to play as Tieflings, I like the sort of archetype they represent. I don't want to have races that amount to different skins.

The bullshit about underdark races not getting negatives in sunlight is one that we are ignoring. 

Beyond that you could create a custom race with no negatives back in Xanthar's.  All WOTC did was nerf other races to bring those with negatives in line with the rest.

Big MEH.

Quote from: weirdguy564 on July 31, 2024, 01:17:32 PMI know plenty of gamers who won't accept any downsides.  They only play to win.  We call them Munchkins now, but I don't see this term used as much.  It might be going out of style. 

That's because that's not what Munchkin means, at least in any context I've ever seen.  Munchkins don't hate negatives; they love negatives when they can be used to create bonuses.  They invented the concept of "dump stats."  A Munchkin will use point buy to stat their PC with 16,16,16,8,8,8 (3 negative stats) in order to maximize the stats they "use."  Today they are more often called "optimizers" (because it's less negative and because there's an SJG "Munchkin" game), but the sentiment is the same.  They loved racial bonuses and negatives, especially since the negatives usually came with larger-than-normal benefits.  So that might explain your confusion.  The problem isn't munchkins/optimizers; it's modern snowflake gamers who must always be the center of attention and never lose...

Quote from: weirdguy564 on July 31, 2024, 09:22:06 AMSo, I take that to mean, yes and no.

D&D is still a good game, including current 5E.  But, the past year or two have seen some weird and openly greed based developments in the D&D brand.  So, stick to what we have, but nothing from here on out seems like a good product.

Something along those lines?

I say this as it is become quite clear, almost everywhere on the internet at this point, that D&D 6E is going to be boycotted by people in the know. 

I agree with this I might add.  Like I said, I never had an attachment to the brand from day one, so I'm an outsider looking in, watching the implosion with detached fascination.

The bottom line is this.  I have not seen anything positive about D&D 6E by literally anybody online.  There is no positive buzz about this one.

Oh there are popular buzz for it on boards controlled by leftard community monitors.  Seriously if anyone wants to understand how bad DnD Beyond board moderators are, IM me, I'll show you some duzies of moderator overreach, hell one made it up to Clownfish.  The moderators don't allow people to talk.  I literally striked because they have a little boy in platemail with a little boy owl bear in his arms as he's swinging on a vine from the big dummmy dumm red dwagon chasing him and I said, that art does not look good, that's a strike.  It gets more egregious by their mod team.

With that level of leftard control, you are only going to get a small community of guys who say its all good, its all right, while they don't have spend.

If you want to get an idea of DnD Beyond community that are allowed to post there, search for: "A page from Tuhfet Ul-Mulk, an illustrated" and you'll see a circle jerk of allowed posters on DnD beyond and WotC listens to them for feedback whether they buy anything or not.

They complain about "ablism" while deleting disabilities, double talk Big Brother would be proud of.