Quote from: Jason Coplen on July 01, 2024, 07:06:33 AMConan RPG - now with pacifiers for the fucking babies. I get so tired of this nonsense from emotionally fragile people.

Greetings!

You know, my friend, I remember when emotionally fragile and incontinent people were usually ignored and shunned--or, laughed at and mocked.

When did so many people in our society start to not only care what the emotionally fragile people cared about and felt--about anything--but actively and constantly *Cater* to these people's every whim?

I liked things much better when they averted their eyes, ducked their heads, and went to cloister themselves in the nursery or the library. They certainly knew their place and station in life, and stayed the fuck out of the adult's way. *Laughing*

I'm normally sympathetic and have some respect and care for different people--but when they start throwing screaming fits and corrupting things I love--and negatively effecting *My Life* or those I care about--my patience goes out the window. I start bringing the harsh side of me out, and stop giving a fuck about these people. Let the alligators eat them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: JeremyR on June 30, 2024, 07:16:54 PMI don't think it's really even possible to model Conan in a game. When he was a teen (late teens) he single handedly killed two frost giants after coming to after being knocked out in a battle

I also think it's absurd that an IP exists as a property when the author died in 1937. Conan should be public domain. And certainly not owned by a company in Sweden.

Some IP trolls got ahold of the comic book Red Sonja character for a time. Other than that Conan should be public domain by now? Otherwise we would not be seeing Conan RPGs one after another?

I think Conan can be done as an RPG if you rake come of his adventures as Conan himself exaggerating some of the events. Or really drunk as he oft was. Either that or the giants are rather flimsy. I do not have the book on hand. How tall were they supposed to be?

Quote from: weirdguy564 on June 30, 2024, 11:09:31 PMI might have slightly misquoted the warning in Palladium books.  I'm just saying they're still in there. 

Rifts. and the new After the Bomb has the following. AtB has a shorter version.

QuoteWarning! ——————
The fictional world of Rifts is quite violent and
deadly. It is an exotic realm where magic is as real
as technology, and demonic creatures plague
humankind.
Some parents may find the violence and supernatural
elements of the game inappropriate for
young readers/players. We suggest parental discretion.
Note that none of us at Palladium Books condone
nor encourage the occult, the practice of magic,
the use of drugs, or violence.

The 90s wave of social justice pandering was dotted with warnings like this. Chaosium was doing it too. Probably SJG as well.
Meanwhile Guardians of Order just said "fuck this" and printed Cute and Fuzzy COCKFIGHTING Seizure Monsters with two different covers. Exact same content.

Quote from: SHARK on July 01, 2024, 08:22:13 AM

Quote from: Jason Coplen on July 01, 2024, 07:06:33 AMConan RPG - now with pacifiers for the fucking babies. I get so tired of this nonsense from emotionally fragile people.

Greetings!

You know, my friend, I remember when emotionally fragile and incontinent people were usually ignored and shunned--or, laughed at and mocked.

When did so many people in our society start to not only care what the emotionally fragile people cared about and felt--about anything--but actively and constantly *Cater* to these people's every whim?

I liked things much better when they averted their eyes, ducked their heads, and went to cloister themselves in the nursery or the library. They certainly knew their place and station in life, and stayed the fuck out of the adult's way. *Laughing*

I'm normally sympathetic and have some respect and care for different people--but when they start throwing screaming fits and corrupting things I love--and negatively effecting *My Life* or those I care about--my patience goes out the window. I start bringing the harsh side of me out, and stop giving a fuck about these people. Let the alligators eat them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Somewhere along the line, it got fucked royally. We should still laugh at and ignore them. These people nowadays wouldn't have lasted a day during an 80s high school where everybody got bullied.

We know where it stems - communism and critical theory. But those are virtually identical except for different targets. We're in the destabilization stage of this commie takeover, and I don't like it one bit.

Did you say alligators? Nice. We need to form the 304th alligator division of the corps and let the boys have some fun.

Quote from: Jason Coplen on July 01, 2024, 12:26:11 PM

Quote from: SHARK on July 01, 2024, 08:22:13 AM

Quote from: Jason Coplen on July 01, 2024, 07:06:33 AMConan RPG - now with pacifiers for the fucking babies. I get so tired of this nonsense from emotionally fragile people.

Greetings!

You know, my friend, I remember when emotionally fragile and incontinent people were usually ignored and shunned--or, laughed at and mocked.

When did so many people in our society start to not only care what the emotionally fragile people cared about and felt--about anything--but actively and constantly *Cater* to these people's every whim?

I liked things much better when they averted their eyes, ducked their heads, and went to cloister themselves in the nursery or the library. They certainly knew their place and station in life, and stayed the fuck out of the adult's way. *Laughing*

I'm normally sympathetic and have some respect and care for different people--but when they start throwing screaming fits and corrupting things I love--and negatively effecting *My Life* or those I care about--my patience goes out the window. I start bringing the harsh side of me out, and stop giving a fuck about these people. Let the alligators eat them.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Somewhere along the line, it got fucked royally. We should still laugh at and ignore them. These people nowadays wouldn't have lasted a day during an 80s high school where everybody got bullied.

We know where it stems - communism and critical theory. But those are virtually identical except for different targets. We're in the destabilization stage of this commie takeover, and I don't like it one bit.

Did you say alligators? Nice. We need to form the 304th alligator division of the corps and let the boys have some fun.

Greetings!

Yep, very true, my friend! I do wish more people would laugh at them, and mock them ruthlessly. Give these crybabies something to be "offended" about at every opportunity! Of course, the glaring lack of such response is also reflective of how deep the weakness, the rot, the corruption has become throughout our hobby as well as our larger society. Indeed, all of these pathetic crybabies constantly diarrhea-spewing their emotions, their hurt feelings, their traumas, their "lived experience" and their damned "Mental Illnesses" are all weaponized social levers seeking emotional and social manipulation and control. It is also very feminized, calculated to inspire onlookers to gather around the crybaby, and attack the targeted "Oppressor." You see them resort to this behavior all the time online, and when possible, in public, in the real world. And yes, it also stems damned straight from fucking Communism.

People seem to have forgotten Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals"--and the frequent interviews over 40 years ago with Soviet diplomat Yuri Bezhmenov, who defected to America, and tirelessly sought to educate and warn America on the dangers of Communism, and the Communist strategy for corrupting and overthrowing the United States, and the West.

Since I was in high school, I have also often warned about the Communists in our country, and around the world. Typically, I was respected by a few, dismissed by most, and of course, hated by many. "SHARK! You're paranoid! You're so extreme!" Well, I was trained in the Marine Corps to resist, fight, and kill the fucking Communists. I have also been educated. I know the plan, and can see all the signs. Meanwhile, most of our country has been laughing, or fucking asleep.

Well, they aren't laughing *now*, are they? More and more, even the "Normies" that used to laugh and roll their eyes, well, even they can see the signs, and have been experiencing some of the fall-out from Communist influence personally. From government policies, entertainment, the medical establishment, what our kids are taught in school, to the constant conveyor-belt activism across the country. Hell, there is no respite from all of the deluge of Marxist, Feminist propaganda even in our own hobby. No, no! No respite! There can be no escape, the Marxists think. This too, is part of the Communist plan.

Yeah, I remember back in the day. All these cowards, these crybabies and Communists, would have been curb-stomped hard. Even in the school yard, the messaging was always a mix of ignore the babies, stand and fight! Don't let anyone do that to you! It was very much pushing strength, fortitude, and growing a thick skin. Then again, most of our peers came from two-parent families, with a strong father. Most of these modern Woke crybabies in society as well as in our hobby have been cucked, feminized, and raised by single mommies. None of them would know even how to begin to be masculine, strong, and self-reliant. An essential aspect of that ancient training is to have some balls, and not sob like a bitch whenever anyone somehow "Offends" you or hurts your feelings in some way. Then, the next huge "Tell" of how they are all weak and feminized, is how they always seek the authorities to serve as their enforcer--firing you, banning you, imprisoning you. Or the whole crowd-gathering. All of that behavior is what weak, helpless women do that can't stand up and fight themselves, and take care of business. That is what their behavior signals to my mind. That, even that, gets back to the Communist roots. Yuri talked about the whole plan to destroy the family, and promote feminism, and conflict throughout society between men and women, children and their parents, and different ethnic groups and races. We can see all of these dynamics operating at full speed at all levels of our society.

Our hobby is like an old, happy elephant, being chewed on by a horde of ants. Always biting, tiring the old elephant out, until the elephant falls to the ground to be devoured entirely. That's the plan. People in our hobby need to wake the fuck up, be strong, and stomp these people at every opportunity. Resist them everywhere. Gatekeep the fuck out of them! Don't let them join your table, or your group, you know? Be aggressive and up-front about your politics and hatred of Woke scum.

Sad. Even CONAN is getting jacked by the rainbow jello.

And yes, my friend. Unleash the Alligators!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Omega on July 01, 2024, 11:59:46 AMThe 90s wave of social justice pandering was dotted with warnings like this. Chaosium was doing it too. Probably SJG as well.

Initially these kinds of warnings were just posterior-covering disclaimers in the event somebody tried to sue the game publishers over a child's or loved one's failure to tell reality from fantasy. Nobody involved really believed the games were responsible for triggering such issues, but nobody had any interest in fighting lawsuits over it. (And I admit I'm old-fashioned enough to believe parents should at least have the option of knowing what's in the media their kids are into, at least as long as they still are kids.)

That said, warning parents who don't want their kids wallowing in Conanesque fantasy violence is one thing; warning adults so that they can water down Conan to the point they can "tolerate" him strikes me as pointless at best and demeaning at worst.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 01, 2024, 03:44:22 PMInitially these kinds of warnings were just posterior-covering disclaimers in the event somebody tried to sue the game publishers over a child's or loved one's failure to tell reality from fantasy.

No one believed that those same kids would grow up physically, and end up working for the companies that produce our games.

And here we are.

All that said, I've lost hope I'm ever going to get a good Conan game with a system I actually like. It's on my large to-do list for my group, where I'll do a Savage Worlds or Mythras version.

If it ever goes Public Domain... that would be a game changer for me.

Quote from: tenbones on July 01, 2024, 03:55:05 PM

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser on July 01, 2024, 03:44:22 PMInitially these kinds of warnings were just posterior-covering disclaimers in the event somebody tried to sue the game publishers over a child's or loved one's failure to tell reality from fantasy.

No one believed that those same kids would grow up physically, and end up working for the companies that produce our games.

And here we are.

All that said, I've lost hope I'm ever going to get a good Conan game with a system I actually like. It's on my large to-do list for my group, where I'll do a Savage Worlds or Mythras version.

If it ever goes Public Domain... that would be a game changer for me.

I'm disappointed too; I love the Conan stories, and was hoping for something better than Modiphius has been churning out. As to copyright, IANAL, but as I understand it, the original stories are out of copyright everywhere but the US, and even there, the first one enters the public domain in 2027. So maybe we will see unlicensed games soon. Then again, it's one thing to have the law on your side, and another to fight off a lawsuit from a company with big pockets.

SHARK,

Yeah, the hobby is screwed if we keep letting these losers have their way. Crybullies as they were called several years ago. I get it, some people get dished a bunch of shit as a kid - simgle ma, alcoholic, physically abusive, and so on. We grew up and thickened our skin. These modern people, especially when they're 40 or older who get all whiny, irk me the most. You'd think by 40 they'd not buy into all the propaganda they're fed by the media. No, they double and triple down.

Look at the stuff about Biden. Half the democrats are going - we're fucked. The other half is now saying Trump is senile and suffering mental decline. Biden is fine, you know? It's been a great time watching them lie to such a level my head spins. If lying was an Olympic sport, these commies would be the certifiable kings of it.

You're too well-spoken for a devil dog. Just saying.

Quote from: ForgottenF on June 30, 2024, 11:11:58 AMI also saw the safety tools block and was immediately turned off. Modiphius might be incompetent game designers, but at least they didn't act embarrassed to be making a Conan Game.

Quote from: Omega on July 01, 2024, 11:45:31 AMI think Conan can be done as an RPG if you rake come of his adventures as Conan himself exaggerating some of the events. Or really drunk as he oft was. Either that or the giants are rather flimsy. I do not have the book on hand. How tall were they supposed to be?

In the story Conan had just finished a battle and had lost blood. He was not in his right mind and thinks he might have imagined the whole thing except when found he had evidence in the form of the Frost Giant's daughters silk scarf or clothing or something.
Also I dont' remember the exact size of the Giants in the text but they were reasonable, not Gygax sized, or Norse Myth sized giants. Frazetta captured it pretty well, I think.

Quote from: Persimmon on June 30, 2024, 11:25:10 PM

Quote from: RNGm on June 30, 2024, 09:56:50 PMI've only glanced through the rules very superficially but little mechanical design inconsistencies bother me in my old/middle age now.   Their "flex" die gets better the smaller it is even though everything else that I saw (admittedly likely not everything as I just skimmed) was "higher/bigger is better".   It's a minor gripe for sure but a turn off for me personally.

Having skimmed the rules, the reason is that your chance of a "flex" increases as you get more experienced.  So to start your flex die is d10 and you get a flex on a 10.  Then it goes to d8, getting a flex on an 8.  So 1 in 8 is better than 1 in 10.  Eventually it goes down to d6.  But yeah, it's just for the sake of difference.  You could just keep increasing your odds using the d10.

So it's the stunt die from Flying Swordsmen?

Quote from: JeremyR on June 30, 2024, 07:16:54 PMI don't think it's really even possible to model Conan in a game. When he was a teen (late teens) he single handedly killed two frost giants after coming to after being knocked out in a battle

I also think it's absurd that an IP exists as a property when the author died in 1937. Conan should be public domain. And certainly not owned by a company in Sweden.

ALL of REH's original writings (Including the ONLY novel "Hour of the Dragon") ARE public domain... To be on the safe side tho you should check the pertinent law of your country, an easy and free way to do so is to check if the work is on project Gutenberg in the US The Hyborian Age

BUT... Conan is trademarked, probably all the other main character names are too (If I were to trademark I would do it with all), so what you can't do is use the name "Conan" in the cover or publicity without paying.

The main character names, and anything else named on those stories is in the public domain, only need to check if it isn't trademarked.

For example, a french publisher just published a series of comic books of the short stories by REH, titled "The Cimmerian" with a subtitle that was the same as the story being illustrated.

What you can't use AFAIK: ANY map depicting the continent, you'd need to draw one that doesn't look like any of the known maps (which would cause the Conan fans to revolt and denounce you).

Now, IANAL nor do I play one on the internet, so do your due diligence.

Quote from: Jason Coplen on July 01, 2024, 06:00:44 PMSHARK,

Yeah, the hobby is screwed if we keep letting these losers have their way. Crybullies as they were called several years ago. I get it, some people get dished a bunch of shit as a kid - simgle ma, alcoholic, physically abusive, and so on. We grew up and thickened our skin. These modern people, especially when they're 40 or older who get all whiny, irk me the most. You'd think by 40 they'd not buy into all the propaganda they're fed by the media. No, they double and triple down.

Look at the stuff about Biden. Half the democrats are going - we're fucked. The other half is now saying Trump is senile and suffering mental decline. Biden is fine, you know? It's been a great time watching them lie to such a level my head spins. If lying was an Olympic sport, these commies would be the certifiable kings of it.

You're too well-spoken for a devil dog. Just saying.

Greetings!

Your head is spinning! *Laughing* Yeah, the mass delusion and mass propaganda just flooding our society with Communism is alarming. It's crazy, pathetic, and disgusting. I remember that old saying--"You can vote your way into Socialism--but you will have to fight your way out!"

And yes, thank you, my friend. I try to be well-spoken and articulate!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Jason Coplen on July 01, 2024, 07:06:33 AMConan RPG - now with pacifiers for the fucking babies. I get so tired of this nonsense from emotionally fragile people.

As Ratman_tf said above, they want to police your gaming table, it has NOTHING to do with the emotionally fragile people, that's just the pretext, shield and cudgel used to brow beat you into submission.