Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 11, 2024, 07:59:40 AMI never understood classifying Darkman as a superhero movie. It's like saying Evil Dead 2 is a superhero movie. Kinda, sorta, maybe if you squint and broaden the definitions to their maximum.

I'd call it straight-up pulp, like The Shadow or The Spider.

Superheroes sprang up out of the pulps, but soon became their own distinct genre.

The pulps were the incubators for a lot of 20th century genres: superheroes, sci fi, horror, fantasy, men's adventure, and so on.

Reminds me of the Star Wars franchise, which borrowed from Flash Gordon and various sci-fi and even western serials, plus swashbuckler flicks, war movies, and various foreign films that Lucas watched at film school.

Quote from: yosemitemike on May 11, 2024, 01:44:35 AM

Quote from: Omega on May 11, 2024, 01:04:39 AMTheres alot of superhero stuff thats not from Disney. It just tends to get lost in the shuffle. The Boys, which I detest, Invincible which is barely mediocre, bunches of foreign ones out there.

Kinds of similar to the spate in the 90s. There were loads of superhero TV shows.Couple of non DC or Marvel movies. Meteor Man, Darkman, Dollman, shows like Nightman and Mantis, More of you looked overseas.

There's also all of the DC TV series which are mostly complete rubbish.  I have been afraid to watch Stargirl since I actually like that character.

I liked the original Flash live action series despite it diverging heavily from the comics. Ship did a excellent Barry Allen. The new Flash series is just... stupid on stupid sometimes. Its like the writers forget the character has, you know, super speed way too often.

The Superboy TV series from the 90s was not bad either.

QuoteI never understood classifying Darkman as a superhero movie. It's like saying Evil Dead 2 is a superhero movie. Kinda, sorta, maybe if you squint and broaden the definitions to their maximum.

er. The Darkman movie about the scientist who is disfigured and fights crime using synthetic skin to disguise himself as different people?

Thats like claiming Batman isnt a superhero because he has no superpowers?

Quote from: Omega on May 13, 2024, 01:35:07 AM

QuoteI never understood classifying Darkman as a superhero movie. It's like saying Evil Dead 2 is a superhero movie. Kinda, sorta, maybe if you squint and broaden the definitions to their maximum.

er. The Darkman movie about the scientist who is disfigured and fights crime using synthetic skin to disguise himself as different people?

Thats like claiming Batman isnt a superhero because he has no superpowers?

Darkman is a deranged psychopath. He doesn't fight crime. He wants cruel and bloody revenge on the specific criminals who caused his situation. Even at their worst, "dark and gritty" superheroes like Batman or Punisher still have some kind of code of morals and a goal to help people. Darkman is just some poor guy's ID run rampant. If anything, he has a lot more in common with supervillians.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 13, 2024, 01:07:42 PM

Quote from: Omega on May 13, 2024, 01:35:07 AM

QuoteI never understood classifying Darkman as a superhero movie. It's like saying Evil Dead 2 is a superhero movie. Kinda, sorta, maybe if you squint and broaden the definitions to their maximum.

er. The Darkman movie about the scientist who is disfigured and fights crime using synthetic skin to disguise himself as different people?

Thats like claiming Batman isnt a superhero because he has no superpowers?

Darkman is a deranged psychopath. He doesn't fight crime. He wants cruel and bloody revenge on the specific criminals who caused his situation. Even at their worst, "dark and gritty" superheroes like Batman or Punisher still have some kind of code of morals and a goal to help people. Darkman is just some poor guy's ID run rampant. If anything, he has a lot more in common with supervillians.

Agreed but then... Isn't The Crow the same? He's NOT fighting criminals, hes getting cruel and bloody revenge on those who killed him and his fiance.

And I looooove them both.

Furthermore, isn't Batman, Punisher, The Executioner (especially those who do kill) just extending his revenge to ALL criminals? Just playing devils advocate here but you could make THAT argument and not be 100% wrong.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 14, 2024, 02:35:51 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 13, 2024, 01:07:42 PM

Quote from: Omega on May 13, 2024, 01:35:07 AM

QuoteI never understood classifying Darkman as a superhero movie. It's like saying Evil Dead 2 is a superhero movie. Kinda, sorta, maybe if you squint and broaden the definitions to their maximum.

er. The Darkman movie about the scientist who is disfigured and fights crime using synthetic skin to disguise himself as different people?

Thats like claiming Batman isnt a superhero because he has no superpowers?

Darkman is a deranged psychopath. He doesn't fight crime. He wants cruel and bloody revenge on the specific criminals who caused his situation. Even at their worst, "dark and gritty" superheroes like Batman or Punisher still have some kind of code of morals and a goal to help people. Darkman is just some poor guy's ID run rampant. If anything, he has a lot more in common with supervillians.

Agreed but then... Isn't The Crow the same? He's NOT fighting criminals, hes getting cruel and bloody revenge on those who killed him and his fiance.

And I looooove them both.

I love Darkman. (Haven't seen The Crow. ) I just don't put it in the same category as "Superhero".

QuoteFurthermore, isn't Batman, Punisher, The Executioner (especially those who do kill) just extending his revenge to ALL criminals? Just playing devils advocate here but you could make THAT argument and not be 100% wrong.

Yes. That's why I said *If you squint really hard*. Mostly because superheroes as a genre can include other stuff. Marvel in the 80's ripped of The Terminator (Cable) and Alien (The Brood) So you could argue that X-Men is a Sci Fi and/or Horror comic. But I think at that point the genre categories are pretty much useless. 
I could argue if Punisher is a superhero, why not John Rambo? They're both pretty similar characters. Military veterans who had a traumatic experience and went rogue.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 14, 2024, 04:05:12 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 14, 2024, 02:35:51 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on May 13, 2024, 01:07:42 PM

Quote from: Omega on May 13, 2024, 01:35:07 AM

QuoteI never understood classifying Darkman as a superhero movie. It's like saying Evil Dead 2 is a superhero movie. Kinda, sorta, maybe if you squint and broaden the definitions to their maximum.

er. The Darkman movie about the scientist who is disfigured and fights crime using synthetic skin to disguise himself as different people?

Thats like claiming Batman isnt a superhero because he has no superpowers?

Darkman is a deranged psychopath. He doesn't fight crime. He wants cruel and bloody revenge on the specific criminals who caused his situation. Even at their worst, "dark and gritty" superheroes like Batman or Punisher still have some kind of code of morals and a goal to help people. Darkman is just some poor guy's ID run rampant. If anything, he has a lot more in common with supervillians.

Agreed but then... Isn't The Crow the same? He's NOT fighting criminals, hes getting cruel and bloody revenge on those who killed him and his fiance.

And I looooove them both.

I love Darkman. (Haven't seen The Crow. ) I just don't put it in the same category as "Superhero".

QuoteFurthermore, isn't Batman, Punisher, The Executioner (especially those who do kill) just extending his revenge to ALL criminals? Just playing devils advocate here but you could make THAT argument and not be 100% wrong.

Yes. That's why I said *If you squint really hard*. Mostly because superheroes as a genre can include other stuff. Marvel in the 80's ripped of The Terminator (Cable) and Alien (The Brood) So you could argue that X-Men is a Sci Fi and/or Horror comic. But I think at that point the genre categories are pretty much useless. 
I could argue if Punisher is a superhero, why not John Rambo? They're both pretty similar characters. Military veterans who had a traumatic experience and went rogue.

You totally need to see the Crow, the original one with Brandon Lee (RIP). Totally worth it and holds up really well.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 14, 2024, 07:08:36 PMYou totally need to see the Crow, the original one with Brandon Lee (RIP). Totally worth it and holds up really well.

The original is going to be back in theaters later this month (May 29th and 30th), so you may be able to see it on the big screen (!).

https://www.cinemark.com/movies/the-crow-30th-anniversary

Quote from: jhkim on May 15, 2024, 07:02:43 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 14, 2024, 07:08:36 PMYou totally need to see the Crow, the original one with Brandon Lee (RIP). Totally worth it and holds up really well.

The original is going to be back in theaters later this month (May 29th and 30th), so you may be able to see it on the big screen (!).

https://www.cinemark.com/movies/the-crow-30th-anniversary

unedited? without content warnings "for the modern audience"?

If so then I might scrounge the money to go see it.

Another oddball superhero movie came across. Dark Avenger from 1990.

A judge is maimed and becomes a crime fighter using stealth and gadgets like a prosthetic arm.

Similar premise to the Dark Justice TV series, just with disfigurement and tech.

Finally got to see "When the Wind Blows" A UK animation about a couple who are caught up in a Sovier nuclear strike on the UK and their attempts to maintain some semblance of normalcy in the aftermath.

I'd heard of this movie for years, especially on our old Gamma World e-group way back and knew it was pretty harsh. But good lord it pulls no punches! This one should be required viewing before playing The Morrow Project or Gamma World.

The Bloggs are this simple middle-aged couple with no great knowledge of just how bad things are and bumble about to the grim finale. I even recognize some of the precautions Jim takes from the nuclear survival booklet as they are similar to the ones we were given in school back in the 70s. Just not nearly as informative apparently? Might even still have mine.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it but Upgrade is a really good movie masquerading as a dumb action flick, watch it till the end and thank me latter.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 31, 2024, 01:03:19 AMNot sure if anyone has mentioned it but Upgrade is a really good movie masquerading as a dumb action flick, watch it till the end and thank me latter.

Well, it seems we can agree on something.

Quote from: HappyDaze on June 01, 2024, 10:12:02 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 31, 2024, 01:03:19 AMNot sure if anyone has mentioned it but Upgrade is a really good movie masquerading as a dumb action flick, watch it till the end and thank me latter.

Well, it seems we can agree on something.

We have agreed on multiple somethings.