I saw this a short while ago on ZuckBook and had to share it because...it's just...something else. As others have said, these halfwits are turning RPGs into 'Maoist Struggle Sessions'. If your whole concept of playing (or DMing) D&D is 'lessons', you're not only a fucking asshole, you're a drooling imbecile that would follow any halfwit strongman cause you probably don't have an internal monologue. These people are, honest to God, fucking cancerous. They should be treated like tumorous growths and not allowed to break containment to infect other games (though we know that's already happened as the vectors for infection have been there for years).

This comes as no surprise at all. Commies look to indoctrinate through everything they do. Why would gaming be any different? Best to avoid such idiots and let them play with each other.

A+ thread title. F- for Gene Martin for using D&D as a mechanism for propaganda. Idiots like him will be the first against the wall when the executions begin.

It all becomes clearer when you realize that this is a religion, and many people are determined to "take captive every thought to make it obedient to" the Spirit of the Age.

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on May 31, 2024, 08:59:18 AMI saw this a short while ago on ZuckBook and had to share it because...it's just...something else. As others have said, these halfwits are turning RPGs into 'Maoist Struggle Sessions'. If your whole concept of playing (or DMing) D&D is 'lessons', you're not only a fucking asshole, you're a drooling imbecile that would follow any halfwit strongman cause you probably don't have an internal monologue. These people are, honest to God, fucking cancerous. They should be treated like tumorous growths and not allowed to break containment to infect other games (though we know that's already happened as the vectors for infection have been there for years).

I would ban this loser from my table so fast the sonic boom would break windows. A game is no place for this kind of recruiting bullshit.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on May 31, 2024, 10:42:54 AMIt all becomes clearer when you realize that this is a religion, and many people are determined to "take captive every thought to make it obedient to" the Spirit of the Age.

Yep.  You've hit the nail on the head.  It's like talking with an atheist, vegan, or someone into Crossfit.  How do you know if someone is an atheist, vegan, or into Crossfit?  Just wait a second; they'll tell you...

FWIW, on FB I'm in that group and the breakaway "non-progressive" D&D group (which that guy is also in), and from what I can see from what else he's posted he's just a shit-stirrer; I think he posts extreme things like that just to see what happens. Kind of a "this is so insane no one could support it". But then you get the comments from people that do, which is the scarier part.

It's a shame, since that group started off as a pretty good one, no politics or ideology, just gaming discussion (even though the group creator was actually very far left). It very quickly went downhill when the admin team expanded to essentially the Woke Justice League.

I think this runs simply deeper than merely shoving partisan politics into our Escapism.

This goes for all media that attempts a strong interjection of allegory or "Lesson" into it's craft and form.
 
Our ancient myths and stories were not so dumb'd down and simple as "moral lessons" even if there was a moral to be conveyed, and they often were far more nuanced than simply moral lessons, even if that was a neat side effect.

I think there was a good reason Tolkien hated the notion of allegory in story, and so goes the same in my eyes for roleplay, and because the current lefts politics view no action outside the realm of politics they are always an eternal enemy at the gates for our Escapism.

There is no connection to the raw human condition, only pledges of allegiance or declarations of defiance to these possessed.

Some people can't do anything without making it all about themselves.

I chose to switch from D&D to Tales Of The Valiant because I was sick of the stream of stupidity coming out of WOTC. I don't want to indulge it by buying their new D&D version. I'm done. I'm out.

And I still won't use Orcs in my personal games. Because that cuts way too close to Tolkien for my comfort.

And yes, I know that Tales Of The Valiant has them as an option. I just won't use them.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on May 31, 2024, 08:33:57 PMI chose to switch from D&D to Tales Of The Valiant because I was sick of the stream of stupidity coming out of WOTC. I don't want to indulge it by buying their new D&D version. I'm done. I'm out.

And I still won't use Orcs in my personal games. Because that cuts way too close to Tolkien for my comfort.

And yes, I know that Tales Of The Valiant has them as an option. I just won't use them.

So you switched from WotC's brand of progtardation to Kobold Press' type of progtardation...

Whatever floats your boat I guess.

If I wanted to be preached at, I'd go to church.

Quote from: Socratic-DM on May 31, 2024, 05:27:12 PMThis goes for all media that attempts a strong interjection of allegory or "Lesson" into it's craft and form.
 
Our ancient myths and stories were not so dumb'd down and simple as "moral lessons" even if there was a moral to be conveyed, and they often were far more nuanced than simply moral lessons, even if that was a neat side effect.

I generally agree, but there is also a long tradition of stories intended as lessons, including many in the Bible to passion plays to the Comics Code and movie-of-the-week in my youth. The best stories have always been nuanced rather than simple lessons.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on May 31, 2024, 08:33:57 PMI chose to switch from D&D to Tales Of The Valiant because I was sick of the stream of stupidity coming out of WOTC. I don't want to indulge it by buying their new D&D version. I'm done. I'm out.

And I still won't use Orcs in my personal games. Because that cuts way too close to Tolkien for my comfort.

Darrin - what's your issue with Tolkien's orcs?

From my side, I dislike the constant imitation of Tolkien in fantasy mostly because it's dull. There's so much other fantasy to draw from. I love Tolkien, but he is slavishly imitated too much, I feel. Still, I have had orcs in my D&D games.

Quote from: jhkim on May 31, 2024, 09:25:52 PMDarrin - what's your issue with Tolkien's orcs?

From my side, I dislike the constant imitation of Tolkien in fantasy mostly because it's dull. There's so much other fantasy to draw from. I love Tolkien, but he is slavishly imitated too much, I feel. Still, I have had orcs in my D&D games.

I don't like them. My preferred fantasy is more swords & sorcery and humanocentric.

Or if I do the cosmopolitian thing, I focus on races that are not Tolkien in origin. I'm not looking to imitate Tolkien.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on May 31, 2024, 09:36:13 PM

Quote from: jhkim on May 31, 2024, 09:25:52 PMDarrin - what's your issue with Tolkien's orcs?

From my side, I dislike the constant imitation of Tolkien in fantasy mostly because it's dull. There's so much other fantasy to draw from. I love Tolkien, but he is slavishly imitated too much, I feel. Still, I have had orcs in my D&D games.

I don't like them. My preferred fantasy is more swords & sorcery and humanocentric.

Or if I do the cosmopolitian thing, I focus on races that are not Tolkien in origin. I'm not looking to imitate Tolkien.

Careful, there. If jhkim thinks you like swords & sorcery too much, he'll decide you are a REH Conan fan and accuse you of racism....