What's this ? But the opening post of this wonderful thread on reddit, of course.

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QuoteOk, I like the Greek Gods, or at least thought I did. But I'm starting to think I need a sanitized version, since they are too problematic in their original form, even for the Black Dog line.

How can I rationalize that they are morally more progressive (in that no means no, among other things) for players at the table. They don't need to be something from a Disney Cartoon, but I want them to feel authentic and believable, while not being HORRIBLE.

Now, on a scale from 0 to brain dead clam, how many neurons did you have to lose to write something like that ? I'm literally speechless.

Huh, well why don't they try taking Black Dog oWoD/cWoD back to a loving, self-sacrificing God like Jeebus?

I keed, I keed. The irony is far too blinding to all concerned.

Anyway, reddit seems to be redditting, so that's enough reddit for me this year.

I feel bad for the original writer of that post. He/she/it had no chance trying to fit these five words together over three short lines of text:

Problematic
Rationalize
Progressive
Authentic
Believable

It was never going to happen.

Quote from: Opaopajr on April 23, 2024, 04:30:44 AMAnyway, reddit seems to be redditting, so that's enough reddit for me this year.

Indeed.

Bruh, my favorite mythologies are Norse, Aztec, and Japanese. Do you think that Xipe Totec could ever be sanitized?

https://mythopedia.com/topics/xipe-totec

What about Tanuki with their ginormous ballsacks?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.onmarkproductions.com%2Fhtml%2Fslideshows%2Ftanuki-transparent-found-on-web.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=265c2b86e4ccdb3ee12868fc63288812426a1b327fec6231259487e946721234&ipo=images

Of course, all of you already know how problematic Norse mythology is, will all the white people and violence and such!

I don't like Greek Mythology a lot, but that's because it's like a never-ending soap opera/reality tv show where so many mortals and demi-gods get awful treatment for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Children. There are many books about the Greek gods that omit the nasty bits and these books are written for children. This person is asking to be coddled like a child.

Not that I agree the nasty bits should be omitted for children. Maybe just presented tastefully. Kids find that stuff interesting.

Quote from: NotFromAroundHere on April 23, 2024, 03:05:14 AMWhat's this ? But the opening post of this wonderful thread on reddit, of course.

(quoted for posterity if this thing should disappear)

QuoteOk, I like the Greek Gods, or at least thought I did. But I'm starting to think I need a sanitized version, since they are too problematic in their original form, even for the Black Dog line.

How can I rationalize that they are morally more progressive (in that no means no, among other things) for players at the table. They don't need to be something from a Disney Cartoon, but I want them to feel authentic and believable, while not being HORRIBLE.

Now, on a scale from 0 to brain dead clam, how many neurons did you have to lose to write something like that ? I'm literally speechless.

Note, the original post has now been deleted.

Second, oh, it's for Mage... poster child for Gnostic/Progressive "I reject your reality and substitute my own" and "you're actually a god being held back by the failure of the masses to realize your brilliance" nonsense.

You have to be a braindead moron to embrace that game, and I should know, I spent quite a long period of my stupid youth playing and then running it until I figured out how toxic it was and came back to objective reality. If I could obliterate one OWoD game line so it never existed I'd nuke... Werewolf. But if I had a second, that would be Mage (honestly, with time, I've realized that lorewise the WoD peaked with Hunter's Hunted 1e and everything else with the exception of adding dhampirs has been downhill).

The Greek gods are vicious psychopaths. They're personifications of amoral capricious natural forces. They're akin to the Fair Folk of Celtic lore, not the all-loving self-sacrificing Jesus Christ.

They're supposed to be horrible. Anyone who think they're not villains is delusional. (Sorry, Percy Jackson fans.)

Quote from: Chris24601 on April 23, 2024, 08:26:40 AM

Quote from: NotFromAroundHere on April 23, 2024, 03:05:14 AMWhat's this ? But the opening post of this wonderful thread on reddit, of course.

(quoted for posterity if this thing should disappear)

QuoteOk, I like the Greek Gods, or at least thought I did. But I'm starting to think I need a sanitized version, since they are too problematic in their original form, even for the Black Dog line.

How can I rationalize that they are morally more progressive (in that no means no, among other things) for players at the table. They don't need to be something from a Disney Cartoon, but I want them to feel authentic and believable, while not being HORRIBLE.

Now, on a scale from 0 to brain dead clam, how many neurons did you have to lose to write something like that ? I'm literally speechless.

Note, the original post has now been deleted.

Second, oh, it's for Mage... poster child for Gnostic/Progressive "I reject your reality and substitute my own" and "you're actually a god being held back by the failure of the masses to realize your brilliance" nonsense.

You have to be a braindead moron to embrace that game, and I should know, I spent quite a long period of my stupid youth playing and then running it until I figured out how toxic it was and came back to objective reality. If I could obliterate one OWoD game line so it never existed I'd nuke... Werewolf. But if I had a second, that would be Mage (honestly, with time, I've realized that lorewise the WoD peaked with Hunter's Hunted 1e and everything else with the exception of adding dhampirs has been downhill).

I take the opposite approach in my freeform magic system. It doesn't operate on the conceit that reality operates on consensus and you reject it to substitute your own. It operates on the conceit that all magical traditions, like Wicca, Druidism, Mad Science, etc., are all imperfect incomplete visions of an original truth. Platonic shadows.

Any splat can learn magic, although usually you can only learn one or two different traditions without going crazy. My mage equivalent splat are reincarnating immortals from the Atlantis-Mu War in 100,000 BC, whose shtick is that they know meta-magic, allowing them to freely learn and mix all magical traditions.

Also, I hate WoD too. I wish there was alternatives...

Quote from: NotFromAroundHere on April 23, 2024, 03:05:14 AMWhat's this ? But the opening post of this wonderful thread on reddit, of course.

(quoted for posterity if this thing should disappear)

QuoteOk, I like the Greek Gods, or at least thought I did. But I'm starting to think I need a sanitized version, since they are too problematic in their original form, even for the Black Dog line.

How can I rationalize that they are morally more progressive (in that no means no, among other things) for players at the table. They don't need to be something from a Disney Cartoon, but I want them to feel authentic and believable, while not being HORRIBLE.

Now, on a scale from 0 to brain dead clam, how many neurons did you have to lose to write something like that ? I'm literally speechless.

"How can I rationalize that they are more morally progressive... not HORRIBLE"...

HUH?

History of the progressive movement in America: eugenics, eugenic killing, racism, plot to, and I quote word-for-word from a progressive Hillary Clinton proudly says she's in the spirit of: "exterminate the negro population", anti-semitism, segregation, and lots of stuff that were pretty horrible.

Making the Greek gods more progressive is pretty scary.

The horrible thing I thin is openly using the word "Sanitized".  to me that means to strip away parts of reality you can't handle.

Quote from: Crazy_Blue_Haired_Chick on April 23, 2024, 08:10:19 AMBruh, my favorite mythologies are Norse, Aztec, and Japanese. Do you think that Xipe Totec could ever be sanitized?

https://mythopedia.com/topics/xipe-totec

What about Tanuki with their ginormous ballsacks?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.onmarkproductions.com%2Fhtml%2Fslideshows%2Ftanuki-transparent-found-on-web.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=265c2b86e4ccdb3ee12868fc63288812426a1b327fec6231259487e946721234&ipo=images

Of course, all of you already know how problematic Norse mythology is, will all the white people and violence and such!

I don't like Greek Mythology a lot, but that's because it's like a never-ending soap opera/reality tv show where so many mortals and demi-gods get awful treatment for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Didn't the Mario games already sanitize the Tanuki?

Quote from: ForgottenF on April 26, 2024, 09:05:34 AMDidn't the Mario games already sanitize the Tanuki?

Had to look up Black Dog, and found that White Wolf "used the Black Dog imprint to release more adult-themed supplements".

So someone wanted an adult-themed game with Greek Gods, but then was afraid that it might be triggering?

By the way, why are we even having these conversations? Are people forgetting that murder is pretty common in RPGs, but we're supposed to worry about "consent"? IT'S A GAME FFS.

Quote from: Trond on April 26, 2024, 05:26:09 PMBy the way, why are we even having these conversations? Are people forgetting that murder is pretty common in RPGs, but we're supposed to worry about "consent"? IT'S A GAME FFS.

Because the woke always go after the low hanging fruit first. The easy targets and each wave tends to go in the same progression.

Think of the children!
Think of the women!
Think of the gays!
Think of the minorities!
Think of the handicapped!

Then they start going after the higher fruit as they locust their way through as much media as they can. Usually targeting anything to do with children first.

And by the time 5e came out there were already the same murmurings of "RPGs are ONLY about VIOLENCE because there are NO rules for TALKING to people!!!"

Quote from: ForgottenF on April 26, 2024, 09:05:34 AM

Quote from: Crazy_Blue_Haired_Chick on April 23, 2024, 08:10:19 AMBruh, my favorite mythologies are Norse, Aztec, and Japanese. Do you think that Xipe Totec could ever be sanitized?

https://mythopedia.com/topics/xipe-totec

What about Tanuki with their ginormous ballsacks?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.onmarkproductions.com%2Fhtml%2Fslideshows%2Ftanuki-transparent-found-on-web.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=265c2b86e4ccdb3ee12868fc63288812426a1b327fec6231259487e946721234&ipo=images

Of course, all of you already know how problematic Norse mythology is, will all the white people and violence and such!

I don't like Greek Mythology a lot, but that's because it's like a never-ending soap opera/reality tv show where so many mortals and demi-gods get awful treatment for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Didn't the Mario games already sanitize the Tanuki?

Nobody wants to see those balls...

Quote from: Crazy_Blue_Haired_Chick on April 26, 2024, 08:15:16 PM

Quote from: ForgottenF on April 26, 2024, 09:05:34 AM

Quote from: Crazy_Blue_Haired_Chick on April 23, 2024, 08:10:19 AMBruh, my favorite mythologies are Norse, Aztec, and Japanese. Do you think that Xipe Totec could ever be sanitized?

https://mythopedia.com/topics/xipe-totec

What about Tanuki with their ginormous ballsacks?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.onmarkproductions.com%2Fhtml%2Fslideshows%2Ftanuki-transparent-found-on-web.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=265c2b86e4ccdb3ee12868fc63288812426a1b327fec6231259487e946721234&ipo=images

Of course, all of you already know how problematic Norse mythology is, will all the white people and violence and such!

I don't like Greek Mythology a lot, but that's because it's like a never-ending soap opera/reality tv show where so many mortals and demi-gods get awful treatment for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Didn't the Mario games already sanitize the Tanuki?

Nobody wants to see those balls...

Pom Poko is the movie that proves you wrong.

Quote from: Chris24601 on April 23, 2024, 08:26:40 AMIf I could obliterate one OWoD game line so it never existed I'd nuke... Werewolf. But if I had a second, that would be Mage (honestly, with time, I've realized that lorewise the WoD peaked with Hunter's Hunted 1e and everything else with the exception of adding dhampirs has been downhill).

Werewolf does suck in that its an eco-terrorist Progtard's wet dream. I liked Mage, but The Traditions are just 100% wrong. I'm not saying The Technocracy are right, but FFS, the neurotic, bong juice swilling, crystal-waving hippie sexual deviant asswipes in the Traditions are just so fucking stupid. That and you had morons claiming Nikola Tesla (who is really The Godfather of the 20th Century) was an Aetherite.

The only time the damn game made ANY sense was when they declared 'The Technocracy won'. The Ascension War was stupid and bringing it back into play did nothing but make the game developers look like Neo-Luddites.