-E. wins that thread with "Although if it's hard for some folks to figure out, an ashcan edition might be just the thing".

Everyone who still has RPG.net accounts should go REPORT Ron Edwards!  That kind of statement in the thread (and not sent via the regular report function) has been considered to constitute a personal attack.

I have no illusion that they'll DO anything to him, but people should report it so that the Modclique can't turn around and claim "no one reported it". If they weren't a gang of fucking hypocrites, they'd have to sanction Edwards.

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Quote from: jrients-E. wins that thread with "Although if it's hard for some folks to figure out, an ashcan edition might be just the thing".

Absolutely.

Quote from: RPGPunditAbsolutely.

I lol'd. Very right, in this case. A very funny jab indeed.

Okay what's ashcan - I know it's a Forge term -and didn't Ron realize it's sounds too much like trashcan ?

Regards,
David R

i thought it was a comic book term, like a smaller, digest-sized publication.  usually a freebie too :confused:

unless that's part of the joke, but i really don't know much about RE except what i get occasionally from the boards

Quote from: beeberi thought it was a comic book term, like a smaller, digest-sized publication.  usually a freebie too :confused:

unless that's part of the joke, but i really don't know much about RE except what i get occasionally from the boards

Oh..okay. I thought it was a design term or something...

Regards,
David R

Quote2. Jack Spenser's post is deliberately trying to confuse readers and misrepresent the game. He very well knows that the Sorcerer dice system is not Risk's, and that trying to apply Risk to it will be laborious and awful. This is dishonest and in my view constitutes a personal attack. If RPG.net's moderators were to do their job in this case, I'd appreciate it.

Ho-lee crap. :rolleyes:
That has to be the single, lamest most pathetic whine I've ever heard on RPGNet. It even beats the "Reported this guy for telling a joke about Firefly I didn't find funny" and "Woe is me because I ratted a teammate out in WoW for having a (possibly) illegal name and now nobody likes me."

I've never read anything of Rons, and now it's unlikely I ever will. He's on the list, folks like that aren't worth wasting the electrons on.

Quote from: David ROkay what's ashcan - I know it's a Forge term -and didn't Ron realize it's sounds too much like trashcan ?

Regards,
David R

It's a Forge term for "I sell you a shitty unfinished draft for way too much money".

Quote from: David ROkay what's ashcan - I know it's a Forge term -and didn't Ron realize it's sounds too much like trashcan ?

Regards,
David R

Lately, its a term Edwards has used to insult up and coming forgies that he's scared will overshadow him as Swine King. He used it to suggest that their games are inferior and still need work compared to his "magnum opus".  So when someone suggests to do an "ashcan" of Sorcerer, its giving Edwards a taste of his own medicine.

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Quote from: RPGPunditLately, its a term Edwards has used to insult up and coming forgies that he's scared will overshadow him as Swine King. He used it to suggest that their games are inferior and still need work compared to his "magnum opus".  So when someone suggests to do an "ashcan" of Sorcerer, its giving Edwards a taste of his own medicine.

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are you serious?  is this guy for real?  i guess one would be hard-pressed to invent such ridiculousness.  :rolleyes:

Quote from: WerekoalaGuess I'll be taking your birthday present back, then.

Do I still exhibit those tendencies here, would you say?

I'd say no.  Some places bring out the worst in some people - I notice people who were calmer of tBP more aggressive here, and some who were uber aggressive on there to be a bit more rational here.

Course, I'm not here much - till recently - so I can't say for certain.

Understand - I have nothing NOTHING personal against you, or Pseudo.  I just find the claims of MOD OPPRESHUNZ! a bit far fetched, on the whole.  I have very rarely seen people sanctioned who didn't honestly deserve it, in one way or another.

Have there been mistakes?  Sure.  Have some people gotten on the end of a pissy mod?  Absolutely.  But I'd rate those in about a 20% ratio.  But the banhammer really only comes out for those who really deserve it.  I've yet to see more than a rare handful of people who got perma-banned who didn't deserve it.

Quote from: James J SkachI'm just curious so I want to check facts...

WK is a right wing nut job, if I'm not mistaken...

Didn't HMG say he was pretty much a socialist?

So, could HMG's view that WK was so horrible be a political bias?

Cause, ya know, things like that happen..on occasion...sometimes...

Then why do I carry on rational conversations with other conservatives?

Sancrosanct, Pyrogod, etc.  I don't like people who act like dicks.  Be they liberal, conservative or "miscellaneous".  WK acted like a dick.  He doesn't here as much.

Quote from: JimBobOzCancer is often defined as,



"jimbob's constant bitchfest against tangency."

QuoteTangency Open is a subforum which is twice as large in threads and posts as any roleplaying subforum. It has uncontrolled growth, and that growth is "abnormal", just as for example a stomach tumour is abnormal growth since the tumour does not process food the way the rest of the stomach does - that is, the posts are not about roleplaying, which was the original purpose of rpg.net.

It would not be that way if the majority of posters didn't like it.  This post is not about roleplaying, nor is a small but significant part of this forum.  I have NEVER seen a webforum that DIDN'T have off-topic conversations.  Few of them have been around as long as RPG.net in all its incarnations.

Also, excising anything "Non RPG related" would mean ditching VGO and OMO, as well as the subfora like Philosophy and the photog one.  Have fun with that.

QuoteTangency Open's posts and threads "invade and destroy" other subforums in a few ways.

Firstly, the attention given by people visiting the site to Tangency Open distracts from the roleplaying subforums.

Except they don't.  RPG forums are well used with a high turnover rate.  One of the arguements for an Exalted subforum was the Exalted spam pushes other threads off the front page quickly - thus RPGO is well travelled.

QuoteSecondly, the issues in Tangency Open being discussed are political, sexual, personal and so on. Naturally people take these much more seriously and to heart than they do talking about roleplaying games. So it's from Tangency Open that we get rules against personal attacks, group attacks, etc etc. These begin as very sensible and useful things, but end up with people in the roleplaying subforum saying, "d20 players suck" and getting warnings and suspensions over it. Thus, rules and moderation which come from non-roleplaying issues stifle roleplaying conversations.

Some of the nastiest flamewars on RPG.net were RPG-related.  But I can't disagree with this.  Tang DOES drive a lot of the moderation.  We are just at opposite ends whether this actually matters or not.  Without Tang, the other fora would be just as heavily modded - as they try to excise all the non-RPG thread drift that would happen when you don't give people a place to chat about shit.

QuoteThirdly, arguments carried from Tangency Open mean that posters put one another on ignore, and thus miss out on comments the person makes about roleplaying. This also stifles conversations about roleplaying.

This can, and will, happen anyway.  Just for different reasons.  Most people, I think, ignore the Ignore - as they just end up reading the post anyway, or someone quotes them.

QuoteIn all these ways, Tangency Open resembles a cancer on the roleplaying body of rpg.net. It should be excised.

But of course it won't be. A good number of the mods wouldn't be mods if they'd not been able to establish themselves in "the Tangency community." Nor would most of them know what to talk about if they could only post in the roleplaying subforums.

It is a place people come to talk about stuff non-rpg related.  Its going to happen, one way or another.  Tang is what it is.  I agree, its big and cumbersome and drains resources.  But excising Tang would eliminate a vibrant subculture, and destroy a vital link that keeps people coming back to the place, and thus increasing traffic to the rest of the forums.

It won't happen because the vast majority of RPG.net posters LIKE Tangency.  They wouldn't post there so much if they didn't.  So, you want to excise a popular well travelled forum because YOU don't like it - fuck what the majority of people who actually POST there want.

If people didn't like what Tang has to offer, it wouldn't be what it is. Noone would post there.  Accept it.

So, finally, please - shut the fuck up about it, for once and for all.  How long is that fucking albatross going to be around your neck?  LET IT GO.  You are in a SMALL MINORITY of opinion on RPG.net  You don't like it - you didn't have to post there.  Focus your energy on USEFUL stuff, like boosting traffic on RPGO by making interesting topics and debates.  BUT don't tell me that what is something that is a popular feature on a well-travelled website is a fucking cancer - hyperbole much?  Noone wants cancer.  The vast majority of people on tBP obviously want, or like, Tang.  

Tang is like a Michael Bay movie.  It is what it is.  Some people can accept it at face value, and enjoy it, without expecting more that what it is.  Others have to bitch about how stupid it is endlessly, and wonder why he makes millions when his movies suck.  They don't suck - if they did, people wouldn't go see them in droves.  You may not LIKE them - sure.  And as art, they are poor quality.  But it still grosses millions - which makes the "suck" arguement ring hollow, and sound elitist and snobbish.  Because obviously, your "sucks" comment is in the small minority.

Quote from: HackmastergeneralI'd say no.  Some places bring out the worst in some people - I notice people who were calmer of tBP more aggressive here, and some who were uber aggressive on there to be a bit more rational here.

Course, I'm not here much - till recently - so I can't say for certain.

Understand - I have nothing NOTHING personal against you, or Pseudo.  I just find the claims of MOD OPPRESHUNZ! a bit far fetched, on the whole.  I have very rarely seen people sanctioned who didn't honestly deserve it, in one way or another.

Have there been mistakes?  Sure.  Have some people gotten on the end of a pissy mod?  Absolutely.  But I'd rate those in about a 20% ratio.  But the banhammer really only comes out for those who really deserve it.  I've yet to see more than a rare handful of people who got perma-banned who didn't deserve it.

You're still talking in cliches and blabbing as if there was a common basis of opinion here. No one else here is sympathetic to those cliches or that blabbing. Make a point, illustrate it with examples and support it with arguments. Don't make up statistics or assume a spurious authority. Take care in phrasing what you say so that you mean what you say. You've just completely undermined your own position by your adherence to shallow ways of thinking.