Quote from: tenbones;1133615Tell me about it...

I'm part Filipino, grew up there, I'm half Cajun on my dad's side. Filipinos are like the Mexicans of Asia, we all have Spanish-oid surnames (they scoured native language and culture as best they could over 350-years of enslaving them), we have a LOT of Spanish DNA delivered by the usual means in times of conquest. But to a lot of "Fancy Asians" (Koreans, Japanese, Chinese) and some "Jungle Asians" (Asians that aren't 'Fancy Asians'), Filipinos are not "Asian enough", they call us Islanders. Interestingly, islander cultures think Filipinos are not islanders (despite the fact we literally live on thousands of islands in the Pacific), but I chalk it up to cultural differences.

Whereas I have some good friends that were born in Mexico city, who *despise* being called Mexican, as he considers himself Spanish. He loves to remind people his last name is Marques with an "S" not a "Z". While my Mexican friends love to give him shit about it and call him out on it all the time. My Portuguese friend in my crowd does the same thing - my Mexican friends tease him about being Mexican (he's not - they're just fucking with him) but he does the whole "Fernandes-with-an-S-not-Z" thing.

so for me, as a half-Cajun-Asian, I just laugh/scoff at the whole thing. I'm at ease in nearly any culture - mainly because I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks about my appearance (which is a genetic monstrosity), but once they get to know me, that generally will swing their opinion. Even among the racist elements of my family and in-laws whom I've converted by actions and ideas, not appearances.

The whole thing with leftists trying to de-genderize language... is going to be a monumental (and idiotic) undertaking. It goes far beyond Latin cultures that gender-specify their language. This is just more social-engineering looking to create conflict for the purposes of thought-control.

It's Cultural Imperialism and racism disguised (poorly) as good intentions. I don't need nor want their Lilly white asses to "save" me thank you very much.

It's the white man's burden and they can stick it up their arses.

In my daily life I couldn't care less about your color/sex/sexuality/culture unless you're trying to impose things on me. I happen to think there's no such thing as Latino Culture, because Mexican's don't really have much in common (culturally) with say Argentinians besides almost the same language (Pendejo here is an insult, there it isn't), and being Catholics most of them.

The same goes for any other Latin American country you care to mention. Almost nothing in common with their closest neighbors, much less with the ones farther away. Hell wanna make an Uruguayan mad? Call him/her an Argentinian. And they share an accent, cuisine and yes even the music and Gauchos.

I wonder if the hot/crazy scale is a American thing, caused by spread of American culture, or universal to humans.

I agree there's no Latino, no White, no Black "culture" because I don't think you can maintain an actual unified culture over too much geography. The USA does not have a unified culture. Even among the Evil Honkies, there are significant cultural differences in various regions, especially before the rise of television. Even the US doesn't have a Latino culture. The Mexican-Americans in the Southwest and the Cuban-Americans in Florida may both be Catholic and many speak Spanish, but there's still significant cultural differences.

Also, in the USA, as much as the race baiters hate to admit it, culture is FAR more class based. As the comedian Theo Von says, there was no diversity where he grew up...only poor blacks and poor whites.

Even more to the point that you, Spinachat and Geeky are making...

White liberals here in the U.S. that are so obsessed with racism, clearly haven't travelled abroad. Chinese and Japanese, in particular are *massively* racist by American liberal standards - and any other standard. Sure they have their favorites to dislike, but in no way shape or form would any level of what is normal in most third-world nations tolerable to white leftist standards they apply to white people here in the U.S.

that's why it looks REALLY insane to those of us that have lived abroad. It's like watching a girlfriend that likes to cut-themselves threatening to cut her own arm off if you don't bend the knee to her crazy-wishes.

Quote from: tenbones;1133684Even more to the point that you, Spinachat and Geeky are making...

White liberals here in the U.S. that are so obsessed with racism, clearly haven't travelled abroad. Chinese and Japanese, in particular are *massively* racist by American liberal standards - and any other standard. Sure they have their favorites to dislike, but in no way shape or form would any level of what is normal in most third-world nations tolerable to white leftist standards they apply to white people here in the U.S.

that's why it looks REALLY insane to those of us that have lived abroad. It's like watching a girlfriend that likes to cut-themselves threatening to cut her own arm off if you don't bend the knee to her crazy-wishes.

Yeah, but we have cops not following procedure, policy, or the law to kill black people. There is a not insignificant amount of people that think being openly racist is an OK thing to be. So while maybe a few months ago, I would have been more concerned about the pearl clutching SJWs. Actual neo-nazis are attacking international media in my own country. So the pearl clutching is getting a pass from me for the near future. It's not good, but plenty of actual racist are dog-whistling complaining about it and they just need to learn that being racist isn't OK.

Does this mean silly things like Magic cards getting canceled and certain lazy depictions of orcs in D&D getting rework? Yeah, but whatever. I'll be worried after cops go back to at least following the law. It just ranks lower on the priority list.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1133691Yeah, but we have cops not following procedure, policy, or the law to kill black people. There is a not insignificant amount of people that think being openly racist is an OK thing to be. So while maybe a few months ago, I would have been more concerned about the pearl clutching SJWs. Actual neo-nazis are attacking international media in my own country. So the pearl clutching is getting a pass from me for the near future. It's not good, but plenty of actual racist are dog-whistling complaining about it and they just need to learn that being racist isn't OK.

Does this mean silly things like Magic cards getting canceled and certain lazy depictions of orcs in D&D getting rework? Yeah, but whatever. I'll be worried after cops go back to at least following the law. It just ranks lower on the priority list.

Actual racists like the SJWs? Because they judge people based on race, they think we poor non-whites need special treatment to compete with whitey mcwhite, as for the "actual Neo-nazis" where exactly is that? Because since I have been accused by so many insane leftists of being one I tend now to doubt any such accusations.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1133691Yeah, but we have cops not following procedure, policy, or the law to kill black people.

Cops kill more whites than blacks.
Black cops kill more blacks than white cops.
Blacks kill more whites than whites kill blacks.
Blacks kill more blacks than anyone else.

This is the unfortunate truth backed up with real data. The Burn Loot Murder race hoax is dangerous and harmful nonsense, but the media loves perpetuating the victimhood narrative on non-whites and enforcing white liberals' beloved bigotry of lowered expectations.

The biggest danger to blacks and whites isn't each other. It's the media and the leftists.

Hell, there's every reason for blacks and whites of the same economic class to be natural allies.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1133691There is a not insignificant amount of people that think being openly racist is an OK thing to be.

We can't stop all these "peaceful protesters" from hating white people because of the color of their skin, especially when the media is declaring anti-white racism to be a virtue. Those racists will have to come to their own personal reckoning.

The real danger to national unity isn't the "openly racist", it's the silent majority declaring segregation is the best answer going forward.

But since last week was "defund the police", the leftist's demand next week might be "forced segregation". There's no bottom to white liberal's true disdain for a non-white person's ability to determine their own future.

I'm totally expecting the Democrats to demand "No White Neighborhoods" before the month ends.

You know, to protect the coloreds! Oops, I mean people of color. So hard to remember that one.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1133710You know, to protect the coloreds! Oops, I mean people of color. So hard to remember that one.

I heard a new one the other day:  Now we have both people of colour and non-black people of colour.

Quote from: Brad;1133256Reddit...might as well just say Fuckwit.

Here's my honest opinion: WHO GIVES A FUCK

Can I get the icons in corn flower blue?

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133704Actual racists like the SJWs? Because they judge people based on race, they think we poor non-whites need special treatment to compete with whitey mcwhite, as for the "actual Neo-nazis" where exactly is that? Because since I have been accused by so many insane leftists of being one I tend now to doubt any such accusations.

You may say I am jumping to conclusions, but for me the line was attacking press corps, on camera, where everyone could see them. There is unconscious bias and then there is viewing anyone the orange-man has a problem with as enemies that should be violently assaulted and shot at with crowd control less lethal devices. One lady in particular lost eye. For me, those are neo nazis. I've criticized the press and have many problems with how they do things, but at no point are they a threat that requires violence. If the cops want to be anti-constitution, then those cops are actual nazis. Aka racist fascist. Racist because a lot of the violence is explicitly against black people and fascist because they undermined our freedoms. There was an FBI report that warned against the secret infiltration of the police by white supremacist groups and the results have lined up with their predictions.

Oh and the cop who pushed over that old year 75 man. Idc that he was white. He has the right to assemble and the "just following orders" excuse gives no right to harm a harmless old guy. It wasn't a good enough excuse for the actual Nazis and our own military is required to disobey illegal orders. The cops shouldn't be less restricted than our armed forces.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1133723You may say I am jumping to conclusions, but for me the line was attacking press corps, on camera, where everyone could see them. There is unconscious bias and then there is viewing anyone the orange-man has a problem with as enemies that should be violently assaulted and shot at with crowd control less lethal devices. One lady in particular lost eye. For me, those are neo nazis. I've criticized the press and have many problems with how they do things, but at no point are they a threat that requires violence. If the cops want to be anti-constitution, then those cops are actual nazis. Aka racist fascist. Racist because a lot of the violence is explicitly against black people and fascist because they undermined our freedoms. There was an FBI report that warned against the secret infiltration of the police by white supremacist groups and the results have lined up with their predictions.

Oh and the cop who pushed over that old year 75 man. Idc that he was white. He has the right to assemble and the "just following orders" excuse gives no right to harm a harmless old guy. It wasn't a good enough excuse for the actual Nazis and our own military is required to disobey illegal orders. The cops shouldn't be less restricted than our armed forces.

So you really meant "actual" Neo-nazis...

Tell me, are all those who physically attack the press fall into this category? Because if yes then Antifart do that too, and do it constantly. 15 people have died during the riots, most of them black. As for police violence in your country being mainly white cop-black innocent victim...
I have bad news for you the facts don't support your assertions, but it's a nice concept for a shadowrun setting.

Well WotC is banning their own Magic Cards for having the word "black" in them in reference to to the color of the affected. I personally loved Crusade and Jihad back in the day... but you know.. boosting White (Crusade) and culturally appropriating the word "Jihad" is clearly racist.

Let's not get into the "Cleanse" card... which kills all black creatures in play. That's *super racist*. Because the color black in Magic now apparently is a racial reference. All these decades and I thought I understood? Who knew?

But you know.. that must mean there is secret racism all over D&D. We just need to keep hunting for those secret racist elements that clearly Mearls, Pundit and Zak snuck in there! Get the torches boys! girls! dragonkin! twinsouls! non-binaries! elfkin!... baobabkin! mudkin?  (fuck I dunno...)

Quote from: tenbones;1133731Well WotC is banning their own Magic Cards for having the word "black" in them in reference to to the color of the affected. I personally loved Crusade and Jihad back in the day... but you know.. boosting White (Crusade) and culturally appropriating the word "Jihad" is clearly racist.

Let's not get into the "Cleanse" card... which kills all black creatures in play. That's *super racist*. Because the color black in Magic now apparently is a racial reference. All these decades and I thought I understood? Who knew?

But you know.. that must mean there is secret racism all over D&D. We just need to keep hunting for those secret racist elements that clearly Mearls, Pundit and Zak snuck in there! Get the torches boys! girls! dragonkin! twinsouls! non-binaries! elfkin!... baobabkin! mudkin?  (fuck I dunno...)

The rot is deeper than that, after all it was created by huwhite, straight, and possibly christian, capitalist males! PUAGH!

Would you believe the same asshats that ban cards with reference to black magic wanted us Spanish Speaking Mexicans to stop using the word negro in reference to the color black? Because it is similar to a term used only in the USA about 50 years ago, never mind it's use in Spanish predates that by a few centuries.

We must change our culture to accommodate them.

In short, those who hear the dogwhistles are the dogs.

And this only encourages me into including my White, Grey, Black magic mechanic in my magic system... Just to spite them.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1133710The biggest danger to blacks and whites isn't each other. It's the media and the leftists.

And the so-called "Left" is mostly a problem cuz the media parrots their nonsense and runs defense for them, normalizing it. Otherwise truer words have never been spoken. The mainstream media literally is The Enemy of The People.

The so-called "Left" (or followers of the cult of Intersectionality, more precisely) are just useful idiots for the elite.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1133710Hell, there's every reason for blacks and whites of the same economic class to be natural allies.

Which, IMO, is precisely why The Enemy of The People parrots Intersectionalist propaganda, which has replaced the so-called "Left's" prior focus on class struggle. An emphasis on class can unite the common plebs. But "remind" non-whites how white people are inherently "privileged" and always have it better no matter how poor they are, and erase what poor white people go through, never report when they get killed by cops as well, then watch the lower classes go for each other's throats.

Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book. The media is the propagandist for the Establishment. And the Intersectional "Left" their useful idiots.

That's also why it's so important to search for imaginary racism in trading cards. It's all part of the normalization process and training people to think in terms of "race" and see instances of racism everywhere, like religious nut looking for the likeness of Jesus in a piece of toast.

Even in our games we must be ever vigilant for "offensive" material that we must fight about, pretending that it will solve our problems. Cuz divided people fighting about imaginary racism in trading cards aren't uniting to fight about real issues back in the real world.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1133710You know, to protect the coloreds! Oops, I mean people of color. So hard to remember that one.

"People of color--unlike those default, normal people who have no color! They're (almost) like people, but of color!"

That's what the expression colored people, erm...I mean people of color always sounds like to me.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1133691Yeah, but we have cops not following procedure, policy, or the law to kill black people. There is a not insignificant amount of people that think being openly racist is an OK thing to be. So while maybe a few months ago, I would have been more concerned about the pearl clutching SJWs. Actual neo-nazis are attacking international media in my own country. So the pearl clutching is getting a pass from me for the near future. It's not good, but plenty of actual racist are dog-whistling complaining about it and they just need to learn that being racist isn't OK.

Does this mean silly things like Magic cards getting canceled and certain lazy depictions of orcs in D&D getting rework? Yeah, but whatever. I'll be worried after cops go back to at least following the law. It just ranks lower on the priority list.

Cops kill more whites than blacks.  It isn't a race thing.  It is a corruption thing that was going to be solved till Antifa and BLM started to riot.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1133735And this only encourages me into including my White, Grey, Black magic mechanic in my magic system... Just to spite them.

See, ...and you thought I'm just being an unoriginal, crusty and stubborn old luddite to want to only run and play original D&D.

Seriously though, Rheydn is correct. The police clearly crossed a new line openly attacking the press corps, EMT people in riot zones, and people completely uninvolved in rioting who just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time (i.e. when the police were there openly practicing their fascism and with considerable contempt for the general population I would add).

One interesting development is the new separation of the Vice-President, Mike Pence, from the Orange Man. Before, Trump just about never went anywhere without the VP on his left shoulder, lending legitimacy to his tenure as chief executive of our nation. That changed though over the course of the last few weeks. Mike Pence is a very religious man, a christian from a large christian family in the bible belt. Pretty sure he broke paths with the President over the course of the protests, and especially after he sicked the Feds around the Whitehouse on protesters gassing them and forcing them into submission, just so the President could get a photo-op going to "Church". Pretty sure even they get it now, that he's a total nutcase that shouldn't be in charge of anything. Do know that I haven't seen Mike Pence in any photo with the president in at least a month, except when they were both down in Florida for the NASA/Spacex launch where America has restarted sending astronauts on our own spacecraft into space again. That photo-op was a backshot, where the VP was looking away from the camera, btw.


Yeah. arranging to beat people, just so he could go to Church! Great move there, showing his true colors! Even the VP couldn't ignore that.


Have to say I completely approve of defunding police departments, removing the dangerous weapons they have acquired over the last two decades, spending that money on community and social improvements instead, and getting the police refocused on protecting and serving the general population, instead of acting as terror agents for the oligarchs, and corporate overlords.