The dnd SJWs, and SJWs in general, are entering the late stage decadence of what can be called "Hypernormalization", to borrow a term from the USSR. But the more ridiculous they become, the more dangerous their demands become.


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I'm with HedgeHobbit. I wish I shared your optimism about the death of the hip wokesters.

Maybe you're right that the MSM has gone too far and the riots will wake up the mushy middle to declare HELL NO! to the SJW nonsense.

Its allways that way. The prior iteration in the 90s and even the one in the 70s and back before my time to the 50s had this. Sooner or later the demands become so loony toon that someone just up and says "No"...

Quote from: Omega;1131857Its allways that way. The prior iteration in the 90s and even the one in the 70s and back before my time to the 50s had this. Sooner or later the demands become so loony toon that someone just up and says "No"...

So they take a mile, take two more, and then somebody says 'No' when they ask for the fourth and get pushed back a mile, and everybody celebrates. And then they do this again 10 years later.

Notice a pattern?

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1131862So they take a mile, take two more, and then somebody says 'No' when they ask for the fourth and get pushed back a mile, and everybody celebrates. And then they do this again 10 years later.

Notice a pattern?

Very notice a pattern. And each iteration has in some way been worse than the last. Not allways in the same ways or venues. But sooner or later it reaches a peak of stupid, then dies down, but you still have damage done somewhere. Because these moral guardians invariably do more harm than any good they claim to have done. Which was usually actually done by people with genuine concerns rather than hallucinations.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1131848Cat hair coffee!

Nah, that's not a problem. You might have noticed I use a vietnamese coffee drip. the cat hair won't get into the coffee.

You got the terrorists wrong: the terrorists are the murderers in uniform, for to long they have killed, beaten and defiled without being held to account.  Also while I agree that DnD is multi racial, classical liberalism is not and never has been, the Founding Fathers of the US didn't regard non-whites as fully human, the British Empire was slightly better, but not much, the other European Empires and various global trade corporations of the period where not, it was by Europeans, for Europeans, and even then mostly for already wealthy families, sending out preferably second and subsequent sons to go out and find their fortune, by basically stealing it.  It was what it was, and it's not like other civilizations where any different, just less good at it.

Quote from: Taggie;1132041It was what it was, and it's not like other civilizations where any different, just less good at it.

You can look at the other Civilisations and see that is not true.  Like them or not the English left more good in their wake then any one else.  Who do you think made Slavery illegal and then enforced it?

Quote from: Shrieking Banshee;1131862So they take a mile, take two more, and then somebody says 'No' when they ask for the fourth and get pushed back a mile, and everybody celebrates. And then they do this again 10 years later.

Notice a pattern?

That's how you get a living culture rather than stagnation. As time goes on values change, we look in horror at the values from the past, things that were once acceptable now aren't while things that were never acceptable are now commonplace.

There is no ideal set of values and ideals, all of your, mine and anyone else's values are just a fad and in 50-100 years people will look back and wonder how it was all acceptable.

Quote from: Altheus;1132057That's how you get a living culture rather than stagnation. As time goes on values change, we look in horror at the values from the past, things that were once acceptable now aren't while things that were never acceptable are now commonplace.

There is no ideal set of values and ideals, all of your, mine and anyone else's values are just a fad and in 50-100 years people will look back and wonder how it was all acceptable.

Are all of these changes a net good? Are any of them destructive of past good? Are they overall destructive of past good? And to what end?

Quote from: RandyB;1132069Are all of these changes a net good? Are any of them destructive of past good? Are they overall destructive of past good? And to what end?

We don't know, we don't get to find out until a generation or two later. Also, there is no general good, just good for individuals or groups. What is good for one can be bad for another.

Quote from: Altheus;1132057That's how you get a living culture rather than stagnation.

I also asked myself this once. 'Is it better to burn out as a culture but have highspots or be long lasting and stagnant?'
And I couldn't come to a decision until I realised that if my ancestors have chosen the former, I wouldn't be here. I owe it to future generations to preserve them good as much as possible. As that is what I have been given.

This shit aint fads. Its how people lived their lives, and managed their communities and kept order and managed some level of harmony in times much more challenging then ours. In our modern nihilistic consumeristic post modernist culture yeah everything is a pointless fad. But to apply this view on the past reeks of arrogance.
Its completly true that in 100 years fart smelling hipsters will skoff at the way we lived our lives. I don't see that as a plus, as much as an example of humanities repeated hubris and unwillingness to learn from its own mistakes

Quote from: Altheus;1132081We don't know, we don't get to find out until a generation or two later. Also, there is no general good, just good for individuals or groups. What is good for one can be bad for another.

Every generation is born as natural barbarians.  It is up to a civilization to transmit what makes it a civilization--or eventually expire.  If enough of the civilization is transmitted, there is a base from which to build--meaning the next generation might have a fair shot at some improvements to it.  You can't improve something you don't understand.

Quote from: Altheus;1132081We don't know, we don't get to find out until a generation or two later. Also, there is no general good, just good for individuals or groups. What is good for one can be bad for another.

Oh. You're one of those.

Quote from: Shasarak;1132044You can look at the other Civilisations and see that is not true.  Like them or not the English left more good in their wake then any one else.  Who do you think made Slavery illegal and then enforced it?

The Royal Navy broke the Transatlantic slave trade, the Yongzheng Emperor ended slavery in china in the 1720s [except as a sentence for crimes] (that returned as China started to fragment in the 1800s, in part, but not in total, due to military defeats to both European powers and internal revolts by Christians [with the bloodiest war of the 19th century being the Taiping Rebellion, which was sometimes supported, sometimes not by missionaries])  Toyotomi Hideyoshi ended slavery in Japan [except as a criminal sentence] in 1590, Feodor III converted field slaves to serfs in Russia in 1679 [this is of arguable benefit, and didn't include house slaves] You can look at the Wikipedia page  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_abolition_of_slavery_and_serfdom for a serviceable timeline, Europeans did end slavery, but they also introduced it in several cases, and where not the only ones abolishing slavery during the early modern period, also especially the Atlantic Slave trade was among the, if not the, most brutal slavery of the time.

I want to be honest about our history, we were armed robbers writ large.