Quote from: Spinachcat;1124066Of course, I hope WotC is NOT doing Al-Qadim. As their entire staff is made of concentrated SJW flavored dumb, they can't be trusted to do anything remotely smart, useful or accurate with the setting.

Would the concentrated right-wing flavoured dumb that permeates this site be trustworthy?

Quote from: tenbones;1126712I did write some stuff for Al-Qadim. Now I get to stroke my boner!

Seriously - I have so much stuff to do these days, the idea of going back to write content for Al-Qadim is a luxury I can't quite afford. If my players *reeeeeaaalllly* pressed me to do some Arabian-flavored stuff, I'd definitely consider running it Savage Worlds.

Running it native in 2e? That would likely open up a whole box of worms all on its own. "2e? Let's do where is not Al-Qadim!!" screeched the players!

Since we are stroking boners, did you write professionally or for a personal game? If it was personal I wouldn't mind seeing your... uh... contributions.

I have been kicking around a conversion/adaption/related setting for 5E.

I think Al-qadim is a good subject to change the way priests and divine magic is treated philosophically, as opposed to mechanically. This has been touched on in 3E when they proposed having a monotheistic setting with a God of everything... I was thinking that there are aspects that embody parts of the divine and people venerate all aspects, but Priests are specialists. So.. if you are going on a sea journey you might venerate the aspect of storms, but if you want to meet your true love by moonlight you might pray to the moon maiden aspect...etc

I don't know if they expanded things because I only remember the core book, but I always through the Gods in Al-Qadim were lacking.

I'd also want to have multiple faiths, so you could have one influenced by zoroastrianism. I'd also want to do one based on sufi mystics but frankly I think the RPG version would be more staid then the ones IRL.

Quote from: yojimbouk;1126763Would the concentrated right-wing flavoured dumb that permeates this site be trustworthy?

And we have out drive by SJW defender for the day. Congratulations!

This place is about as far from the left or right as it gets.

Try again please.

Quote from: Nerag;1126768I don't know if they expanded things because I only remember the core book, but I always through the Gods in Al-Qadim were lacking.

A little research shows that the game saw a couple of attendant material. Not counting anything squirrelled away in Dragon, Dungeon, or Polyhedron.

Past the core  Arabian Adventures book there was one  Monstrous Compendium for Al-Qadim. Then the Complete Sha'ir's Handbook which I got from a DM that passed away.
There were some boxed sets that were mostly campaign settings. Land of Fate(campaign) the above mentioned City of Delights(campaign), Golden Voyages (campaign), Assassin Mountain(campaign), A Dozen and One Adventures(adventure collection), Secrets of the Lamp(campaign), Ruined Kingdoms(campaign), Cities of Bone(campaign), Corsairs of the Great Sea(campaign), and Caravans(campaign).

I believe RPGA put out one or two module? Reunion and I think Night of the Rakshasa? Its been a few decades!

And one obscure PC game.

Dragon 315 and 321 had articles for adding Al-Qadim classes to 3e.

I've seen Golden Voyages and it was pretty interesting looking. But at the time it did not register as an Al-Qadim product as did not know anything about it yet. (Despite having Al-Qadim emblazoned on it. ahem...)

Could have swore there were some pre-3e articles in Dragon, Dungeon or Polyhedron. But cant pin down any.

FWIW there's a very nice Arabian themed OSR book, The Thousand Year Sandglass

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/244365/The-Thousand-Year-Sandglass--Book-1

Sort of a B/X (it's based on LL) and Al-Qadim mashup.

Quote from: Omega;1126772And we have out drive by SJW defender for the day. Congratulations!

This place is about as far from the left or right as it gets.

Try again please.

I am so apolitical I don't even know who I am, where I am or what my name is anymore. Who are you? What are you? Where are we?! WHAT AM I!?

I found a free version of The Nightmares Underneath set in a Persian/Turkish setting next to a phantasmagorical horror land that spawn dungeon crawls from human subconsciousness. Looks good but is a species of OSR that seems able to be converted pretty easily.

Quote from: JeremyR;1126775FWIW there's a very nice Arabian themed OSR book, The Thousand Year Sandglass

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/244365/The-Thousand-Year-Sandglass--Book-1

Sort of a B/X (it's based on LL) and Al-Qadim mashup.

Hows it compare to BX/BECMI's Emirates of Ylaruam?

Prior to Emirates of Ylaruam there had been some modules with an Arabian Knights style setting.

Master of the Desert Nomads comes to mind. Another article received from the same DM that passed away along with The Lost Temple.
And of course Day of Al'Albar for AD&D. Wasnt that set in the Arabian Knights themed lands to the far west of Greyhawk?

And I had a look at Rahasia way back, an apparently Arabian Knights themed module by Weiss and Hickman. But was thoroughly unimpressed as aside from some names. The art and writing did did zero to evoke an arabian feel. I did though like the idea of an Arabian Knights themed elven land. If only W&H had provided that. ahem.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1124066I loved Al-Qadim...pre-9/11. We had such great fun, total Sinbad & Arabian Nights fantasy...but post 9/11, I could not get a table to get excited about touching anything from the Middle East. The few tables I ran just turned into political suckfests. But my last attempt was 10 years ago, and I've been yearning for some "Desert Fantasy" again.

Of course, I hope WotC is NOT doing Al-Qadim. As their entire staff is made of concentrated SJW flavored dumb, they can't be trusted to do anything remotely smart, useful or accurate with the setting.

If they do remake Al-Qadim it will be the most insufferable hectoring you've ever seen masquerading as an RPG supplement.

Speaking of Arabic fantasy settings, I would like a more authentic portrayal of jinn compared to D&D's mix of genie, djinn, jann, efreet, marid, and dao. They're made up by the D&D writers without basis in Arabic folklore. Genie, djinn, and jann are just variants or translations of the same word. I have found very few sources that distinguish jinn and jann, but it does seem to be present in Muslim demonology.

Legends of the Fire Spirits by Robert Lebling does mention that there are jinn of the air, earth, and sea in Muslim cultures of Tunisia and Malaysia, but it doesn't give them those names. (The book is about the variety of jinn folklore across the Muslim world. I highly recommend it!) In Tunisia, they are simply called "jinn of the air," "jinn of the sea," etc. The jinn of the sea are synonymous with what European cultures call mermaids.

Fisherman's Blues by Anna Badkhen mentions Mariama Sangomar, a genie with three heads, six arms, and one leg, one of many genies who gather at the Point of Sangomar in West Africa and usually appear as will-o'-wisps.

If they do re-do Al-Quadim then I hope they include Time Traveling Osama Bin Laden.

Quote from: Shasarak;1126876If they do re-do Al-Quadim then I hope they include Time Traveling Osama Bin Laden.

I don't recall inter-temporal bin Laden being a thing. I thought it was time traveling Obama because he didn't prevent the 9/11 attacks when Bush Jr was president, or didn't do something he couldn't have done due to not being in government at the time etc

Quote from: Mjollnir;1126861If they do remake Al-Qadim it will be the most insufferable hectoring you've ever seen masquerading as an RPG supplement.

Help I'm being oppressed! This straw man is oppressing me! I'm on the verge of doing some interesting work on a middle east inspired setting but a bunch of SJW scarecrows marched in, arrested me and sent me to SJW jail. You have to wonder why absolutely everyone we have talked about this far who recently did a take on the subject isn't in SJW jail with me... but that's not important. I am a strong, independent man who takes no crap and I am being oppressed somehow.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1126874Speaking of Arabic fantasy settings, I would like a more authentic portrayal of jinn compared to D&D's mix of genie, djinn, jann, efreet, marid, and dao. They're made up by the D&D writers without basis in Arabic folklore. Genie, djinn, and jann are just variants or translations of the same word. I have found very few sources that distinguish jinn and jann, but it does seem to be present in Muslim demonology.

Legends of the Fire Spirits by Robert Lebling does mention that there are jinn of the air, earth, and sea in Muslim cultures of Tunisia and Malaysia, but it doesn't give them those names. (The book is about the variety of jinn folklore across the Muslim world. I highly recommend it!) In Tunisia, they are simply called "jinn of the air," "jinn of the sea," etc. The jinn of the sea are synonymous with what European cultures call mermaids.

Fisherman's Blues by Anna Badkhen mentions Mariama Sangomar, a genie with three heads, six arms, and one leg, one of many genies who gather at the Point of Sangomar in West Africa and usually appear as will-o'-wisps.

Hell yes. The original mythology seems so interesting and D+D really doesn't seem to go into it much at all. I just had a look at Capharnaum which seems to have a few things to say about them. Its a arabia/middle east setting as well, but you can also play the equivalent of a European I think.