Quote from: trechriron;1126194I made a new post on BRP Central. This one might get me banned but I was more direct and... less offensive? I didn't call anyone names!

This whole not OGL stinks of Rick Meints.

Dammit, Genie, get back in the bottle!

Even WW did a better job without the OGL. They just said, "you can freely publish work using our copyright for profit, but you have to publish it on this website and pay us a cut of royalties."

I don't understand why Chaosium can't do that. Most people don't write this stuff for profit, and if they do it's not their only source of income.

Quote from: trechriron;1126193Let me be direct here.

1) Let me be direct here, Bearded one. No matter how many pretty vaginas McAlea gets I can still tell he is a man. And a he's a false fuck who doesn't mind earning a few bucks writing material that originated with the dead author he despises. As for the other stuff...if you feel like wearing lipstick, getting a 70's hairy snatch or walk around in high heels all day long is your problem. Just don't try to claw at me with your pink bitch nails. You also misuse the word phobia. I have no fear of trannies. I don't fear mayo either but that doesn't mean I like it.

2) By now this is starting to sound like you want to date-rape me. All this vagina, taint and hot little girl talk is exciting you, I can tell. You definitely need more social distancing in your life.

I'm not a publisher and have no plans to publish anything, but I took a look at this. All I have to say is that I wouldn't even consider using that BRP SRD/license. It doesn't offer anything of value except the ability to use the BRP logo (which is of dubious value) while loading you down with ill-defined restrictions. If I were looking to publish a d100 based product, I'd probably take one of two approaches, depending on what I want to publsh. The first would be publishing without any OGL at all (care needed, here, obviously). The second would be to use the regular OGL along with open content from another source. The open content from Legend is a likely candidate, but there are several possibilities.

Quote from: Vile;1126200Only the mods are allowed to be rude there.

Oh how I miss the early carefree days of the board Trifletraxor set up because he was banned from Mongoose for posting a picture of someone milking a Morocanth herd cow, when Chaosium was a fading light and Moon Design were safely walled off in Glorantha Grognardland where no-one had ever heard of them.

Isn't that Trifletraxor guy running the Chaosium forum now where MOB runs his mouth unhindered thinking he is tough shit when he is in fact genetic trash from Australia. That shitshow of a forum is just an ad for Chaosium products. 90% of all posts are in the vein of "Hey, look here, pay pigs! 197th Edition of Masks of Nyarlathotep. Buy the Caked-In-Shit Premium Edition and get Lynne Hardy's used panties for free."

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1126226Even WW did a better job without the OGL. They just said, "you can freely publish work using our copyright for profit, but you have to publish it on this website and pay us a cut of royalties."

I don't understand why Chaosium can't do that. Most people don't write this stuff for profit, and if they do it's not their only source of income.

I thought they actually did that, with their monograph series.

It's they are very controlling, like August Derleth was. The idea of them doing something like Call of Cthulhu without their permission or blessing just drives them batty.

Hol' up, set aside CoC for a moment...did they really say...

all works related to Le Morte d'Arthur

Did they really just try to copyright a book written in fourteen fucking seventy five???  Bad news chums, I think Sir Thomas Mallory has in fact been dead more than 75 years.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1126300Hol' up, set aside CoC for a moment...did they really say...

all works related to Le Morte d'Arthur

Did they really just try to copyright a book written in fourteen fucking seventy five???  Bad news chums, I think Sir Thomas Mallory has in fact been dead more than 75 years.

It may seem dumb but there's nothing stopping them from getting you to 'give up' rights you have, even if it is in public domain.

Quote from: Groom of the Stool;11262301) ...By now this is starting to sound like you want to date-rape me. All this vagina, taint and hot little girl talk is exciting you, I can tell. ...

Nope. Trying to publish something under the BRP "open" license is very much like signing-up to be date-raped. And of course you excite me! You have a wonderfully filthy mouth.

Quote from: Lynn;1126307It may seem dumb but there's nothing stopping them from getting you to 'give up' rights you have, even if it is in public domain.

This makes me want to publish a Le Morte d'Arthur RPG in every system that's open just to spit in their eye.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;1126300Did they really just try to copyright a book written in fourteen fucking seventy five?

Not exactly. They're not claiming copyright, they just want you to agree not to use anything designated "Prohibited Content." They can put anything they like in that category, whether they own it or not (and the license specifies that the list of Prohibited Content "...may be updated in future versions of the License."). It's up to you whether to agree to the contract/license or not.

The license's current list of "Prohibited Content" casts a very broad net that contains all sorts of stuff, including material that is otherwise public domain. "All works related to the Cthulhu Mythos...all works related to Le Morte d'Arthur...proper names (characters, deities, place names, etc.), plots, story elements, locations, characters, artwork, or trade dress from [big list of product lines and related sublines]...", et cetera.

I consider some of that reasonable: stuff like trademarks, artwork, trade dress, Glorantha material, etc. I consider some of that dubious, broad, and ill-defined (like the "all works" related to the Cthulhu Mythos or Le Morte d'Arthur).

Then there's prohibited content based on game mechanics that are "substantially similar" to systems in Chaosium games: Augments, Glory, Passions, Personality Traits, Pushing, Reputation, Rune Magic, Runes, Sanity, Sorcery, Spirit (or battle) magic. My concern, here, is how "substantially similar" would be evaluated (especially legally), and how much room there is for substantial variation within the framework of d100-based rules when addressing similar topics. The license asks you to agree to restrictions that wouldn't exists under copyright law, and doesn't (IMO) do a good job of defining the scope and bounds of those restrictions. I see it as a bit of a minefield.

Another issue I see is that the open content in the BRP SRD document is lacking, especially compared to alternatives.

I understand Chaosium is trying to protect their IP while offering some open content. I have no problem with that concept. But I don't think they came up with a very good approach with this license and SRD. I think the license offers too much uncertainty and too many restrictions for very little benefit. As I said up-thread, I'd pass and look at some of the other alternatives.

Quote from: trechriron;1126311Nope. Trying to publish something under the BRP "open" license is very much like signing-up to be date-raped. And of course you excite me! You have a wonderfully filthy mouth.

I agree on both things. The license and my filthy little whore mouth.

Quote from: JeremyR;1126298I thought they actually did that, with their monograph series.

It's they are very controlling, like August Derleth was. The idea of them doing something like Call of Cthulhu without their permission or blessing just drives them batty.

Yes, they are extremely controlling. I somehow think that they forget that most of Lovecraft's works are in the public domain, and that they have delusions of having created the mythos themselves. I sometimes notice this trait in Sandy Petersen's videos on Youtube too. Maybe it's old age setting in. And MOB even mentioned Hastur being off limits. But then again, he seems to be an idiot.

And another thing, with their so called "Open" license they violate the spirit of Lovecraft and his circle of Mythos-swapping friends. He wanted other authors to expand upon the mythos. Chaosium is more Smaug-like in their approach. And I remember them totally fucking up the French edition of CoC 7th edition and the released/planned products. What those french bastards did was the most beautiful rendition of CoC ever made. So what if they hadn't paid the license fees in a couple of years? It was pure art. Smaug-that-is-Chaosium should have given them some leeway. My guess is that they felt so jealous of the pure talent of that French company that they pulled the plug and made up excuses about it being about fees. The art direction of modern Chaosium is pure shit.

I love Call of Cthulhu (4th ed by preference but up to 6th they're all good), but if this is how Chaosium is going to behave, man, fuck them.

Didn't they just plain stop paying Michael Moorcock for years on end?  You know, an actual dude who was still alive and owed licensing fees?  I seem to recall reading a lot by him about how peeved he was about that.

Anyway, time to sort out a la morte d'Arthur RPG in every possible system.  Probably start with OSRIC and go from there.