Quote from: Spike;1126083I am continually baffled by people actually wanting to watch other people play RPGs, much less paying for the privilege....

... I may be a weirdo, though. When I was a child I admitted to being baffled (as I remain to this day) why people enjoy watching other people play sports, rather than playing themselves. Sure, I enjoy a 'greatest hits compliation' of NFL tackles as much as the next guy, but I'm not planning to watch an entire season of other people playing the game to get there. Of course if D&D streaming is the new Football for Our Time, I may very well need to stop the planet and get off this ride, because... damn that's lame.

When I got into Warmachine (ver 2) I watched a lot of youtube games because I wanted to familiarize myself with the rules and tactics. I carried that over to when I started X-Wing miniatures, especially since I go to competitive tournaments.
While it's a little different, I'm watching primarily to improve my own game, I kinda sorta get people who watch sports now.

I think the competitive nature is what puts it over the top. I have no interest in watching people play D&D.

Quote from: tenbones;1126084It's "gaming" for people that don't actually game. And for those that do and believe "this" is good gaming - then it's milquetoast casual-slob gaming that care more about their brand of tribal performative virtue signaling as part of the act than the gaming itself.

It's the "Human-Centipede" of gaming. Thanks... but I'll go play "Goodfellas".

Quote from: Brad;1126087D&D is definitely intramural football. Anyone who wants to watch other people do something they could do RIGHT NOW is just a lazy idiot. Now, I'm not saying you cannot watch a play-through to see how it's done; that's an entirely different thing. Maybe you want to learn how to DM, or understand how playing the game actually works, I get it. But if you're using it as an actual source of entertainment, you probably need to get a life.

I've seriously tried to watch things like Critical Roll. I've done it out of curiosity when it took off, I've done it because a then girlfriend insisted I'd love it, I've done it again just because I thought "Maybe I was in the wrong mindset." I've gone into it every time with expectations below zero but an honest desire to try and 'get it', to grasp why people love this thing. Every single time I've come away after maybe twenty minutes. I've watched from the start of campaigns, I've skipped past the shilling, I tried to skip to when they properly play and don't just joke around with one another. Not once has it ever actually clicked with me for all my efforts. There's just something immensely dull about watching others try to play RPGs, especially when any actual gaming is interrupted for a quip or the group roaring and smacking one another on the shoulders.

I think the closest to success I ever got was the World of Warcraft tie-in with Terry Crews, but it had a painfully predictable outcome (Horde wins in a scripted WoW tie-in, what a shock). Troy Baker and Crews appeared to be trying to take the game somewhat seriously at least, whilst the rest LolSoRandom'ed through it. Even that though I mostly just jumped ahead through because I could almost feel myself falling asleep. Other times I've looked up videos of systems I've yet to play or am reading through the rulebook of, but even those tend I tend to close the tab after ten minutes.

Maybe it's the RPG circle I've surrounded myself with, but my usual players and those who've dipped in now and again usually share somewhat similar opinions on it. Some like it more (and less) than others, but none of them really watch it or claim to be fans. Meanwhile the players I've had who're most enthusiastic about CR are those who're insufferably flakey and noncommittal. Is it all a coincidence? It may well be, but it's experience enough to be very sceptical of the type of people who's interest in 'gaming' extends as far as Critical Roll as their eyes usually glaze over as soon as anything involving character sheets, rolling dice and indeed roleplaying rears its head.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1126241When I got into Warmachine (ver 2)

Ah, I see you're a man of culture.

Quote from: Snark Knight;1126245Meanwhile the players I've had who're most enthusiastic about CR are those who're insufferably flakey and noncommittal. Is it all a coincidence? It may well be, but it's experience enough to be very sceptical of the type of people who's interest in 'gaming' extends as far as Critical Roll as their eyes usually glaze over as soon as anything involving character sheets, rolling dice and indeed roleplaying rears its head.

Hmmm, that's an interesting comment. Sounds like they just want to watch a movie instead of play a game. Zero investment but want to feel like they're participating in something.

Quote from: mightybrain;1126238He does have content only for subscribers, but the Far Verona game ends up on YouTube open to anyone.



No so much explicit sexual assault though, right?

And Youtube is a safe haven for people who don't want to see violence or rape scenes, naturally. Oh, the rape scene from Deliverance is there for any 13 year old to watch without having an account.

There wasn't much sexual assault back then no, because the hacking of limbs was more fun. But there was a case of indecent exposure on the table of an inn where the PC got his junk stuck with a fork.

Quote from: Groom of the Stool;1126250And Youtube is a safe haven for people who don't want to see violence or rape scenes, naturally. Oh, the rape scene from Deliverance is there for any 13 year old to watch without having an account.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFKdAhi_yc0

If you're logged in you can watch it. If you log out it says log in to confirm your age. Deliverance is an 18 rated movie.

Imagine a culture of lies. Transforming what was into what isn't.

Stand against the Storygames. Point out their deception.

"It is not contrary to reason to prefer the destruction of the whole world to the scratching of my finger." - David Hume

I watched the video of the "assault" and Korbel (kobel?  whatever) is a thoroughly shit GM.  

I'd take offense at just how bad a DM he is.

Quote from: mightybrain;1126274https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFKdAhi_yc0

If you're logged in you can watch it. If you log out it says log in to confirm your age. Deliverance is an 18 rated movie.

Here it is, full scene, no log in required. Squeal like a pig!

Quote from: Snark Knight;1126245Ah, I see you're a man of culture.

I miss Warmachine. My group fell apart shortly before version 3, and by then I had moved on to X-Wing Miniatures. But I had a lot of fun with it.

I like that Koebel is revealed more savage animal asshole than Zak S.

Fitting.

Quote from: Groom of the Stool;1126291Here it is, full scene, no log in required. Squeal like a pig!

Log in is required. If you see the video thumbnail and not a blank screen it's because you are already logged in.

If you look in the description it says:  Notice Age-restricted video (based on Community Guidelines)

And if you click on the link, it takes you to the guideline that makes it age restricted:

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Quote from: thedungeondelver;1126284I watched the video of the "assault" and Korbel (kobel?  whatever) is a thoroughly shit GM.  

I'd take offense at just how bad a DM he is.

I think that's probably at the root of why the group quit. The sleazy aspect makes a good headline, but underneath the problem is that he betrayed the trust of his players. He's clearly a frustrated show runner. He describes the situations in terms of scenes and fades and pans. He had his scene planned out and railroaded the characters into it. It's probably not the first time he's done it, but maybe the first time his players noticed due to his blatant use of DM fiat to hit on a PC.

Does anyone have a link to the specific scene in the video? I want to see what this DMing people are talking about is.

I believe it was Shasarak who already mentioned this, but while they may be scumbags, these Male Feminists sure know how to have a good time in bed! Call for the cancellations, tumblrize yourself, adorn yourself in virtues (and/or pink hair), and profit.

Quote from: Melan;1125584Nah. There is  clear pattern: people who do a lot of moral grandstanding commonly prove to be massive phonies with skeletons in their closet (if not a full cemetery in the basement). The "family values" politico discovered with a small harem; the fire-and-brimstones preacher caught with a suspiciously young boy; the beloved philanthropist who steals from the community and treats his staff like dirt - it is a story for the ages. These are just the same hypocrites as the religious right, except with pink hair, and slightly less drugs and sodomy.

He may or may not have written great games/gaming advice - that's an art/artist thing.

(puts on professor hat) In my experience male feminists come in two variants: the creepy slimy variety, and the useful idiot variety