Quoteand it is NEVER 'okay' to use that word towards someone just because you disagree with their philosophy.

aaand thats where you are wrong. I can and will use that and far worse just because its tuesday or for no reason at all and it IS "okay" because I say it is and I'm in charge of me. you can call it impolite or crass if you like, but that won't stop me. sanction won't stop me. really nothing short of killing me will...are you prepared to try to kill me to police my language? good luck hucklebuck.

Quote from: GameDaddy;1121524Anyway, Ayn Rand was Atheist, not Jewish

Jewish is an ethnicity as well as a religion.

Quote from: S'mon;1121535Jewish is an ethnicity as well as a religion.

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Yeah. ...No. She wasn't at home serving the menfolk. She didn't do Bar Mitvah's. On Sabbat she worked. Remember she was the head of the costume department at RKO pictures in the 20's. She married an American, after she was on her own she didn't live in any Jewish communities. Superficially, because of her ancestry, she might be considered Jewish. Being an Atheist, I seriously doubt she considered herself Jewish.

Greetings!

I'm an American citizen, born and raised here, from many generations. I believe the United States of America is the greatest nation on earth. I also like American Exceptionalism, and all of our great heritage.

Does that mean I am an "Ethnic Particularist"? I'm not sure what the fuck an "Ethnic Particularist" even is.

I'm not sure why it is relevant what nationality or erm, "ethnicity" Ayn Rand was. She was a philosopher that wrote about Objectivism. Why would anyone care? Like many philosophers, she seems to have been intelligent, kinda cool and kinda nutty and weird, too. Seems pretty ordinary in that way for philosophers.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Snowman0147;1121513This whole shit is crazy.

Kolts been off his meds for a few months now it seems. Or has some obsessive compulsive disorder to play commander contrarian.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1121529[ATTACH=CONFIG]4127[/ATTACH]

Thanks, I wasn't aware that existed, gonna go buy it asap!

Quote from: Snowman0147;1121519The Spanish didn't take over Mexico.  Mexico allowed Spain to take over cause it was a better fate than what the Aztecs where offering.  The real Mexican history should had been about how Mexico decided the Aztecs had to go and how they allied with Spain to make it happen.

México didn't decide shit, because México didn't exist. The other tribes that were under the Aztec rule allied with the Spaniards to overthrow the murderous and cannibalistic Aztecs, thus the New Spain was born, after that the Criollos (Spaniards born in the New Spain) revolted demanding equal treatment, which led to the independence and creation of the Country known as México.

Take this into consideration for any campaign set in that time.

Quote from: SHARK;1121517Greetings!

You know, it boggles me that these SJW's and liberal historical revisionists in academia never seem to come to grips with the fact that Cortez only had about 1,000 Spanish soldiers, ala Conquistadores, with him. A few horses, a few war dogs, and only a few small cannon.

Cortez had something far more powerful. A Native TRIBAL PRINCESS that became his LOVER, his TRANSLATOR, and CHIEF ADVISOR. She was at his side, at all times, and in every meeting. AND the loyalty and service of some 50,000 NATIVE WARRIORS that marched alongside Cortez, and helped bring the AZTECS to their knees, at every step of the campaign.

The Catholic priests complained that Cortez never went anywhere without the Native woman at his side. She slept in his tent every night, and everything went through HER, first. Cortez didn't know or do much of a fucking thing without her approval and encouragement.

Yeah. Think about that.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Exactly, which is how he was able to build Carabelas to sail the lake that surrounded Tenochtitlan and put it under siege. It was really a revolt of the opressed who saw in the Spaniards an ally and a lesser evil. If the second proved not to be true is up for discussion.

And this is why, most Aztec Empire settings bother me to hell and back, they always (almost) paint the Aztecs as the saint noble savages, the Spaniards as demons and the rest as tools or slaves to the Spaniards.

Funny how in this case the winner didn't wrote the history to paint himself as the good guy, but the losers did to paint the winner as a fucking demon.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1121567Exactly, which is how he was able to build Carabelas to sail the lake that surrounded Tenochtitlan and put it under siege. It was really a revolt of the opressed who saw in the Spaniards an ally and a lesser evil. If the second proved not to be true is up for discussion.

And this is why, most Aztec Empire settings bother me to hell and back, they always (almost) paint the Aztecs as the saint noble savages, the Spaniards as demons and the rest as tools or slaves to the Spaniards.

Funny how in this case the winner didn't wrote the history to paint himself as the good guy, but the losers did to paint the winner as a fucking demon.

Greetings!

Excellent, my friend! You know, it is sad that even in American universities, your basic History 101 class will present and ram this fucking narrative down the student's throats, until they believe it. THEN, you have all the special Latina Student Union groups--always eager to guest lecture at any university class--and then proceed to ram more bullshit into the students about how glorious the Aztecs were, how great the indigenous brown peoples are, and how fucked the white Spaniards are.

I actually got into it with a Mexican student, a girl. I told her,

"You know, I love brown people. Indians, Mexicans, whatever. However, in your rush to embrace La Raza, and your eagerness to hate white people, you should realize sweetheart that YOU are half white. You have Indian blood in you, as well as white European blood in you. SPANISH blood in you. Spaniards were not all terrible people, and have done many great things through the centuries to build and contribute to your societies and culture. You need to learn true history, and learn to love, and be gracious and proud of ALL of your beautiful heritage."

Her mouth went open at me, bewildered and in shock.

I hate historical revisionism. What is wrong with jumping into the whole truth? The good, the bad, the mixed. The confusing, the glorious, the righteous, the wicked, and the history of just accepting huge changes and making something new, and different?

I can imagine you shouting at revisionist history books, my friend!:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK;1121572Greetings!

Excellent, my friend! You know, it is sad that even in American universities, your basic History 101 class will present and ram this fucking narrative down the student's throats, until they believe it. THEN, you have all the special Latina Student Union groups--always eager to guest lecture at any university class--and then proceed to ram more bullshit into the students about how glorious the Aztecs were, how great the indigenous brown peoples are, and how fucked the white Spaniards are.

I actually got into it with a Mexican student, a girl. I told her,

"You know, I love brown people. Indians, Mexicans, whatever. However, in your rush to embrace La Raza, and your eagerness to hate white people, you should realize sweetheart that YOU are half white. You have Indian blood in you, as well as white European blood in you. SPANISH blood in you. Spaniards were not all terrible people, and have done many great things through the centuries to build and contribute to your societies and culture. You need to learn true history, and learn to love, and be gracious and proud of ALL of your beautiful heritage."

Her mouth went open at me, bewildered and in shock.

I hate historical revisionism. What is wrong with jumping into the whole truth? The good, the bad, the mixed. The confusing, the glorious, the righteous, the wicked, and the history of just accepting huge changes and making something new, and different?

I can imagine you shouting at revisionist history books, my friend!:D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Precisely for my mixed blood this revisionism bothers me so much. I'm sure Cortez's men were not all of them good people, after all most were there to escape jail. And I'm also sure many a terrible thing was done by them, but the same holds true of the Aztecs and most any empire, and if it wasn't because of the evil of the Aztecs I doubt Cortez would have gotten much farther away from Veracruz.

The Aztecs weren't the only Mesoamerican people practicing human sacrifice and ritual cannibalism. There really are no good and evil parties in this story.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1121567And this is why, most Aztec Empire settings bother me to hell and back, they always (almost) paint the Aztecs as the saint noble savages, the Spaniards as demons and the rest as tools or slaves to the Spaniards.

Funny how in this case the winner didn't wrote the history to paint himself as the good guy, but the losers did to paint the winner as a fucking demon.

I'm curious what specific settings you're talking about here. It's pretty rare for me to see Aztecs vs Spaniards in a setting at all. From what I've seen, Aztecs are generally the bad guys when they appear (like in Witch Hunter). I'm familiar with GURPS Aztecs, which seems roughly historical to me, with no sign of noble savage. I've heard about Dragons Conquer America and Totems of the Dead -- but I don't own them or know them in detail.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1121564Thanks, I wasn't aware that existed, gonna go buy it asap!

The Aztecs in it are Pure Evil and are planning a counter-invasion of Europe! It's up to those meddling witch hunters (and their dog) to stop them. Yes, your Mystery Machine is a galleon.

Quote from: Morlock;1121426Rand was a hack. And an ethnic particularist (which explains how she never turned her lens on herself or her own kind)...

Ahem...

Quote from: Brendan;1120513As an aside, I wonder how long it will be before the mask slips and you treat us to your inevitable alt-right sperg out?

Called it.

Quote from: Koltar;1121506How the hell did Ayn Rand get into the conversation in the first place?? She never wrote a role playing game.
Talk about topic drift....

- Ed C.

Oh, I can clear that up.  Morlock decided he needed to drag Israel into the conversation about evil oppressor colonizing states even though it has nothing to do with RPGs because, in his mind, colonizing = evil = (((us))).  

Someone (Sammy, I think?) challenged him on this and he said he was fine with Jews provided they didn't try "that slimy shit" wherein they get to have their ethnostate [sic] while denying him his.  Rather than further degenerate the thread by refuting the various ways this is a dumb position (and his even more dumb claim that today's left is somehow pro-Israel), I settled for a simple response of "How about you shut up about Jews and I'll shut up about ethnostates and we'll all just get along."  With some minor grumbling things settled down.

Shaasrak said something like, "No one aside from leftists has a problem with ethnostates".  And I replied with one of my favorite Ayn Rand quotes about how racial collectivism is the dumbest form of collectivism.  I honestly give two shits if Morlock wants to move to an abandoned fishing village in upper Canada with Nick Fuentz and Richard Spencer.  Form whatever intentional communities you want, but I also think the idea of white-topia is stupid (also black-topia and brown-topia).

Anyway, you're welcome... I guess.

Quote from: Brendan;1121671Ahem...

 

Called it.



Oh, I can clear that up.  Morlock decided he needed to drag Israel into the conversation about evil oppressor colonizing states even though it has nothing to do with RPGs because, in his mind, colonizing = evil = (((us))).  

Someone (Sammy, I think?) challenged him on this and he said he was fine with Jews provided they didn't try "that slimy shit" wherein they get to have their ethnostate [sic] while denying him his.  Rather than further degenerate the thread by refuting the various ways this is a dumb position (and his even more dumb claim that today's left is somehow pro-Israel), I settled for a simple response of "How about you shut up about Jews and I'll shut up about ethnostates and we'll all just get along."  With some minor grumbling things settled down.

Shaasrak said something like, "No one aside from leftists has a problem with ethnostates".  And I replied with one of my favorite Ayn Rand quotes about how racial collectivism is the dumbest form of collectivism.  I honestly give two shits if Morlock wants to move to an abandoned fishing village in upper Canada with Nick Fuentz and Richard Spencer.  Form whatever intentional communities you want, but I also think the idea of white-topia is stupid (also black-topia and brown-topia).

Anyway, you're welcome... I guess.

Greetings!

Thank you, Brendan! There have been times here where I felt strangely like I had walked into some side room where a private party was going on, unrelated to the rest of the party going on beyond. It's like, what the fuck is being said here, and why? Arrrgghh.

Alt right sperg out? *laughs* Living in a isolated fishing village in northern Canada? *rolling*

Brendan, do you drink coffee? I'm pouring some fresh coffee, my friend. Fucking hilarious!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK