Quote from: HappyDaze;1114768That's his right; if he want's to ignore, he can. If you/me/anyone/everyone wants to think he's an asshole for doing so, that's your/my/their right.

Absolutely

Quote from: VisionStorm;1114763He replied to you exactly three times--the first time perhaps sarcastically, but still making a point, the other two briefly elaborating with actual arguments and even bring up real life examples of what he meant--and at none of your replies back did you actually address his points. You simply dismissed them twice and then blocked him. There was no point "reached". You simply didn't want your bullshit unchallenged, so you retreated to your echo chamber instead.

Lighten up tough guy!  He's already off the ignore list.

Greetings!

I have never put anyone here on my Ignore List. I have never bothered even using the function, here or anywhere, honestly.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Politics is downstream from culture.

Control the culture and you'll soon control the laws.

And SJWs are becoming the controllers of culture so it's not rocket science what's next.

Quote from: Omega;1114375All SJWs are white so if you exclude them from your game session then you are only doing what they told you to do. :rolleyes:

That's hysterical!

Quote from: RPGPundit;1113873There's a certain group of people in the RPG hobby who want to segregate gamers according to their sexuality, race or gender.
They're called SJWs.

[video=youtube_share;IErUFVyD008]https://youtu.be/IErUFVyD008[/youtube]

You know, back on RPGNet I used to often read that RPG Pundit was extreme right-wing. I eventually got fed up with the smothering political-correctness on those forums, particularly from the Mods, that I jumped ship to other more relaxed rpg forums. Eventually I started checking this one out, and thought fuck it, if it's not my thing I'll just walk. Glad I didn't.

Watching this last video regarding the current rise in SJW segratation in the hobby, I'm in agreeance with the points raised here (as I have been on many other videos by RPGPundit).

I usually don't lend my voice to these polarised conversations, but I have to agree that the current fascist way of thought does seem to be prevalent in the contemporary Social Justice culture - it's a pity that they have taken the title 'social justice', as they seem to be just about as intolerant as the the more extreme far-right viewpoints.

I'm more of a moderate myself, seeing strengths in both camps, but I must say I find myself more and more agreeing with many of Pundit's views, which are often based around inclusion and general fairness.
Good video, thanks for posting

Quote from: Mankcam;1114993You know, back on RPGNet I used to often read that RPG Pundit was extreme right-wing. I eventually got fed up with the smothering political-correctness on those forums, particularly from the Mods, that I jumped ship to other more relaxed rpg forums. Eventually I started checking this one out, and thought fuck it, if it's not my thing I'll just walk. Glad I didn't.

Watching this last video regarding the current rise in SJW segratation in the hobby, I'm in agreeance with the points raised here (as I have been on many other videos by RPGPundit).

I usually don't lend my voice to these polarised conversations, but I have to agree that the current fascist way of thought does seem to be prevalent in the contemporary Social Justice culture - it's a pity that they have taken the title 'social justice', as they seem to be just about as intolerant as the the more extreme far-right viewpoints.

I'm more of a moderate myself, seeing strengths in both camps, but I must say I find myself more and more agreeing with many of Pundit's views, which are often based around inclusion and general fairness.
Good video, thanks for posting

Thanks!

Here is a fine example of segregation / gatekeeping from Roll20.  https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/7913303/lfp-new-ish-dm-looking-for-lgbtq-plus-players-for-lmop-mon-tues-or-weds-at-7pm-cst  from anx LFG Thread titled [LFP] New-ish DM looking for LGBTQ+ players for LMOP! [LFP] New-ish DM looking for LGBTQ+ players for LMOP![/B] Note all the posters that are demanding the segregation lack plus or pro tags  which means they pay nothing for this service. Also Roll20 Code of Conduct specifically states

"All Looking for Group postings and listings should be in the spirit of inclusion as opposed to exclusion. This will allow you to best attract the gaming group you wish to play with instead of attempting to repel those you don't."

Here are some highlights

QuoteThere is something very important here which you (and everyone else above who has objected) clearly don't understand, so let me spell it out for you:

In the world we live in today there are some groups which are marginalised (due to their ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender/gender identity, religion, disability, etc.).
This is true both irl and in gaming communities.
People in such marginalised communities often seek each other out to form groups/communities of our own (yes, indeed excluding those who do not have those same experiences of marginalisation) in order to be/feel safer, in order to be with others who understand the same experiences... for any number of reasons.
Doing that (seeking each other out, to the exclusion of those who have the privilege not to be marginalised for who they are) is not a nice, fun, cool thing we do at you, or to exclude you (we absolutely seek each other out in the spirit of inclusion to find and include each other). It would be great if we lived in a world where this was not necessary. But we do not.
Men, white people, cishets, pretty much any group who is privileged is not in that same position. Arguing that they are is obnoxious, offensive, and shows that you have absolutely no understanding of the way the world works.
Coming here and making all of these super queerphobic and transphobic arguments on the Trans Day of Remembrance (when we remember those who have died/been killed due to transphobia) no less... is utterly despicable. I don't know how you manage to live with yourselves.
No go away.

QuoteThere is no such thing as heterophobia!!

Just like it's not possible to be racist towards white people or sexist towards men.

Now, which part of "go away" did you not understand?!

RPGPundit, what's your thoughts on Freedom of Association vs. the SJW desire for segregation?

"Freedom of association encompasses both an individual's right to join or leave groups voluntarily, the right of the group to take collective action to pursue the interests of its members, and the right of an association to accept or decline membership based on certain criteria."

If I play Devil's Advocate for a moment, aren't the SJWs and the Roll20 morons just using Freedom of Association to segregate themselves? And if so, what exactly is wrong with that? Other than the normal issues with a closed group developing groupthink.

The USA has a weird relationship with Freedom of Association. It doesn't exist on school campuses anymore, but alleged exists for everyone else to choose to self-segregate with like minded people.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1115398RPGPundit, what's your thoughts on Freedom of Association vs. the SJW desire for segregation?

"Freedom of association encompasses both an individual's right to join or leave groups voluntarily, the right of the group to take collective action to pursue the interests of its members, and the right of an association to accept or decline membership based on certain criteria."

If I play Devil's Advocate for a moment, aren't the SJWs and the Roll20 morons just using Freedom of Association to segregate themselves? And if so, what exactly is wrong with that? Other than the normal issues with a closed group developing groupthink.

The USA has a weird relationship with Freedom of Association. It doesn't exist on school campuses anymore, but alleged exists for everyone else to choose to self-segregate with like minded people.

The thing is the SJWs and Roll20 morons do not believe in Freedom of Association but instead they use it as an excuse for their own use of segregation while also saying that any group that does not specifically label themselves in the correct manner is homophobic, transphobic and racist to justify their own hatred and make themselves feel special.

The whole notion that these groups are based on Freedom of Association is bollocks since a group excepting only straight white males would never be tolerated.  Roll20  again is a good example of this. In a response to poster complaining that a group was not excepting women players Nolan T Jones replied with this:-

QuoteReal talk: I'm the Managing Partner of Roll20, and if you report these tools, we'd be happy to nuke them off the site. Sorry someone was an asshole. But we're improving the hobby and outnumbering these tools more and more every day.

Quote from: Gagarth;1115380Here is a fine example of segregation / gatekeeping from Roll20.  https://app.roll20.net/forum/post/7913303/lfp-new-ish-dm-looking-for-lgbtq-plus-players-for-lmop-mon-tues-or-weds-at-7pm-cst  from anx LFG Thread titled [LFP] New-ish DM looking for LGBTQ+ players for LMOP! [LFP] New-ish DM looking for LGBTQ+ players for LMOP![/B] Note all the posters that are demanding the segregation lack plus or pro tags  which means they pay nothing for this service. Also Roll20 Code of Conduct specifically states

"All Looking for Group postings and listings should be in the spirit of inclusion as opposed to exclusion. This will allow you to best attract the gaming group you wish to play with instead of attempting to repel those you don't."

Here are some highlights

Love it. "We're inclusive...of people just like us".

Quote from: Gagarth;1115410The thing is the SJWs and Roll20 morons do not believe in Freedom of Association but instead they use it as an excuse for their own use of segregation while also saying that any group that does not specifically label themselves in the correct manner is homophobic, transphobic and racist to justify their own hatred and make themselves feel special.

The truly reprehensible aspect is if it's something they support it's not racist. So if they dislike CIS straight whites it's not racism. Whether if one were to say the same of gays or trans gamers. Suddenly it is "racism", to be inclusive one is exclusive then to me they are being racist. "we are not racist because we believe in the bull-shit non-existent narrative where their was an equally non-existent campaign in rpgs to keep up 1000% of trans, gay people ou of the hobby. We only want to play with those two groups and CIS straight whites are not welcome. BTW are are not at all racist."

Quote from: Gagarth;1115410The whole notion that these groups are based on Freedom of Association is bollocks since a group excepting only straight white males would never be tolerated.  Roll20  again is a good example of this. In a response to poster complaining that a group was not excepting women players Nolan T Jones replied with this:-

Agreed and seconded and pretty much guaranteed almost 99.9% that I will never use Roll20.

Quote from: Joey2k;1115412Love it. "We're inclusive...of people just like us".

Don't you know if your straight white CIS male then no one cannot ever be racist against you.

How do these segregationists actually live? Do they have jobs, do they use restaurants or attend  public events? If they are so traumatised by a person with white skin or someone that seems to heterosexual or cis do they ever leave their homes?   Maybe they are the real basement dwellers.  Also what is the next step  segregated work spaces, public venues and public transport? Maybe that will make them happy.

Quote from: Gagarth;1115425How do these segregationists actually live? Do they have jobs, do they use restaurants or attend  public events? If they are so traumatised by a person with white skin or someone that seems to heterosexual or cis do they ever leave their homes?   Maybe they are the real basement dwellers.  Also what is the next step  segregated work spaces, public venues and public transport? Maybe that will make them happy.

That's the thing; this entire deal about "marginalized" people being so traumatized by "life" that they can't bear the thought of a disgusting cishet white male is all built upon a series of unsupported assumptions stemming from "activist" groups and "academia" as prescriptive garbage that isn't actually expressed by regular members of these "marginalized" communities, yet we're expected to accept it anyways without question because [insert second hand anecdotes full of loaded assumptions] and "how dare you invalidate the (supposed) lived experiences of marginalized groups (that aren't actually saying any of this crap being pushed by ideologues)?"

It's all prescriptive nonsense that persists largely unchallenged because the average person has the logical thought process of a lemming and all the conviction of a peon, so they're not gonna question what their moral arbiters have laid out in front of them, cuz "why do you want to further ostracize 'marginalized' peoples (by not letting us promote prescriptive segregation)?"

Quote from: Gagarth;1115425How do these segregationists actually live? Do they have jobs, do they use restaurants or attend  public events? If they are so traumatised by a person with white skin or someone that seems to heterosexual or cis do they ever leave their homes?   Maybe they are the real basement dwellers.  Also what is the next step  segregated work spaces, public venues and public transport? Maybe that will make them happy.

Why do they make bubbles? They terraform a social environment to be unthreatened.

Quote from: VisionStorm;1115428"how dare you invalidate the (supposed) lived experiences of marginalized groups (that aren't actually saying any of this crap being pushed by ideologues)?"

Heh. When that poll came out finding that 98% of latinos think the term "latinx" is bullshit, I predicted that this would have zero impact on the use of that term in woke academic circles. So far I've been proven correct.