Quote from: VisionStorm;1114415True. But even then that (on its own) doesn't mean that its necessary or preferable to simply ban them from the forums, since it's not like posting at a forum is truly analogous to allowing a crazy person about to kill you into your physical residence. The only way they can hurt you here is if they convert the staff, and I seriously doubt Pundit can be converted at this point. Once you're savvy to SJWs BS you pretty much become immune to it. The most they can do is disrupt threads with their nonsense, which can be ignored and potentially get them banned.

I wouldn't advocate banning them from this forum or a similar forum, which is supposed to be open and wide-ranging.  I would ban them from being moderators or otherwise having any authority, and I would certainly give them a (limited) suspension for trolling using certain SJW tactics that are primarily intended to make it impossible for other forum members to engage in discussion.  But that wouldn't be any different than any other trolling behavior--just not giving them special dispensation.

I will ban them from any group that I'm running, because I don't need the hassle.  I would ban them from a targeted forum that I was running to support a game (if I were running such), because again I don't need the hassle.

Quote from: Steven Mitchell;1114423I wouldn't advocate banning them from this forum or a similar forum, which is supposed to be open and wide-ranging.  I would ban them from being moderators or otherwise having any authority, and I would certainly give them a (limited) suspension for trolling using certain SJW tactics that are primarily intended to make it impossible for other forum members to engage in discussion.  But that wouldn't be any different than any other trolling behavior--just not giving them special dispensation.

I will ban them from any group that I'm running, because I don't need the hassle.  I would ban them from a targeted forum that I was running to support a game (if I were running such), because again I don't need the hassle.

That's understandable in that context. My comment on banning SJWs from the forums came cuz Ratman mentioned at one point in a post that kicked off this line of conversation that:

Quotewe can kick their asses out of forums, mailing lists and gaming groups both online and IRL.

Quote from: Simon W;1114167If a white man tries to get into a LGBTQ+ game, how do the people running the game know if he's gay or not. Are they supposed to say "Are you gay?" (which could be considered pretty rude at the very least) and if he refuses to answer (as that is really nobody at the tables' business) does he get booted out, even if he is gay (or one other of the 100+ genders that are supposed to qualify as "oppressed")? This is total nonsense.

Relevant anecdote (which is not data): a friend of mine (white-appearing male*) went to an "inclusive, friendly, and accepting of everybody!!" gaming event to support it. He's a really strong player, and also a very kind person. After the first session he attended they told him something along the lines of "you're not the kind of person we want at this gathering, please don't come back" -- the organizers didn't even ask, they just assumed he wasn't gay, or struggling with any of the ostensibly onerous sexuality related questions they claim to have so much compassion for, and in need of a friendly space.

It absolutely infuriated me at the time (this was about 5 years ago) and so, despite being their target audience and wanting to support newbies in the game, I never went back either. (They were also rather condescending, assuming that I must be bad at the game and not know anything. Speaking of the bigotry of low expectations.) But with all the other craziness in the past few years I'd completely forgotten about this incident until I saw your post.

In a shocking turn of events that will surprise you all, one (actually, two, I think) of the organizers/chief whiners of this shitshow were hired by the game company to increase the pervasiveness of this kind of thing in the game. Yay.

Spinachcat is right, we need to stop inventing reasons for people to hate each other. It's easier to hate, it feels great to act self-righteous, and it spreads like wildfire.

* I'm not actually sure of his ethnicity and from what I vaguely know he may actually qualify for "oppressed" status

Quote from: Snowman0147;1113923Unless said minority happens to be right of Karl Marx.  Then they are traitors to their own race.

These days Karl Marx is on the far right compared to some of the SJW Liberals.

Quote from: jhkim;1114028I agree that just having voluntary associations isn't inherently bigoted. I disagree with Pundit's claim that having an LGBT-only gaming group, say, is inherently bigoted and segregationist. There might be genuine bigots who would do such a thing, but just having the group isn't proof that someone is bigoted.

I agree with this, if the LGBTQP+ people want to have a perverts only group that is fine with me. As long as it is fine with them that I have an all non-pervert group.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1114149And being half-Korean gives you a magical connection with gamers of African, Latino, Middle East descent and every flavor of Asian that couldn't exist with gamers of European descent? Do your really believe there's something "non-white" gamers share universally? In 2019 America? Especially in the Bay Area?

Apparently anyplace in the US it is true these days that all non-whites are superior and connected in ways that the white man can never experience. At least that is what they keep telling us.

Quote from: VisionStorm;1114199You guys are such raging bigots. What's so difficult about playing the game the way that random people who aren't even gonna be at your table (or for all we know even play the game) want you to? It's called being a decent human being! Why don't you just admit this is about excluding marginalized people from a historically white and heteronormative hobby cuz you don't wanna give up your unearned privilege? I'm literally shaking! I mean, I can't even! :mad:

This is crazy. My table, my game, my homebrew world. I will play it anyway I want to and those who don't like it can find another game. I am not forcing anyone to play my game and I am not going to be forced to play my game a certain pervert inclusive way. I don't exclude people based on race, but I will exclude predators all day long.

I run games in public and anyone is welcome to join in. As a straight white male I am actually in the minority as most of my players are either minorities, gay or female. No one has told me to do this, I was raised to give everyone a chance and I do without being told by some group of control freaks.

Quote from: ElBorak;1114448This is crazy. My table, my game, my homebrew world. I will play it anyway I want to and those who don't like it can find another game. I am not forcing anyone to play my game and I am not going to be forced to play my game a certain pervert inclusive way. I don't exclude people based on race, but I will exclude predators all day long.

I was being sarcastic.

QuoteWhat's so difficult about playing the game the way that random people who aren't even gonna be at your table (or for all we know even play the game) want you to?

Was my SJW Fu too strong?

Quote from: VisionStorm;1114501I was being sarcastic.

Poes Law is very much in effect these days. Its terrifying just home much of a reptative joke these people are.

Quote from: ElBorak;1114448This is crazy. My table, my game, my homebrew world. I will play it anyway I want to and those who don't like it can find another game. I am not forcing anyone to play my game and I am not going to be forced to play my game a certain pervert inclusive way. I don't exclude people based on race, but I will exclude predators all day long.

Whadda you, a specieist?

Quote from: RPGPundit;1113873There's a certain group of people in the RPG hobby who want to segregate gamers according to their sexuality, race or gender.
They're called SJWs.

Seems to me that if some gaming group doesn't want me at their table, I don't want to be there.  Simple.  No-brainer.  

Whatever their reasons or motivations, I don't care.  It's a game, a game you should have fun playing.  If my being there means that everyone else can't have fun, I chose to go.  I'm not spiteful.  I have no right to be in their group.  I'm not going to whine about it.

This is NOT segregation in my mind.  Not by ANY stretch of the imagination.  I say this from the perspective of someone that grew up in the South (the south-east region of the USA, excluding Florida) so when you say segregation, that conjures to my mind the context of what it was there; Segregation (note the capitalization).  That was the FORCED BY LAW separation of people in accordance with race.  This group of people deciding to run an LBGTQ-only game is NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL.  The key being there is no force of law behind what they are doing.  You seem to be from Canada, so maybe the word, segregation, has a very different connotation there.  Fine.  Perhaps you wished to be edgy.  Fine.  Maybe you used the term to piss me off.  Fine, mission accomplished.  Ultimately, I don't care about your reasons.

I think the idea is it's 'segregation' if it's enforced from above, eg by Convention organisers. Private assembly wouldn't count, so a home game wouldn't count.

I'll be honest... I used to run tournaments and adventures at LA Conventions for years.

Time spent on forums, the change in gaming culture, the idiots that have raised my awareness to the sheer moronic jackassery that goes on in this hobby by the loud minorities that have largely taken control of such gatherings has flagged away from ever desiring to go run at a convention.

So mission accomplished?

Quote from: Fortunato;1114657That was the FORCED BY LAW separation of people in accordance with race.

Who needs laws when culture does that for you?