Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1109759Let's be serious: your favourite game sucks.

Ha, well, you can't throw that at me Kyle because my favorite game is 1e AD&D and I happen to know that it's your favorite game too!

Quote from: Trond;1110355It's weird. Virtually every single example of someone hating their own race is white. Whites thinking that their own race is the very worst. Never mind that Asians (in my experience) tend to be far more racist, and proud of it, but that's probably just my white racism talking.

Maybe not a great picture, and not the only one I've seen of him, but he's also not Quasimodo.  

I'm just as white as Trollman, and I don't hate 'the white race'.  I don't believe that race automatically makes me great, and more than being an American automatically makes me great.  I can talk about how America is a better country in ways X, Y, & Z than some other country, but it doesn't mean that we don't have absolute trash here.  There are plenty of Americans that I don't think reflect well on our country.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1110283I don't know that I'd describe anyone at the Den as a 'pal' and I'm certainly not interested in defending the things they say whether they were right or wrong.  If someone feels that they need to justify their position, they can do it themselves.  

In this thread, Macris indicates that he worked for a company that hired Milo Yiannopoulos after it was known the type of hate-spewing he's responsible for.  

Is there a direct connection to Milo having a platform and people going on rampages?  I'm not sure,
but there is some concern about it

"There is some concern." :rolleyes:

Oh, no.....you don't. :mad: You don't get to play that neo-Marxist game of emotional manipulation, via using deception and word weapons. The other poster was right; you are a worm. Does Milo Yiannopoulos control a "terrorist network" or not? Is amacris guilty of Frank Trollman's accusations or not?

Answer the question.

Yes, or no.

And what "hate spewing" of Milo's are you referring to? Be precise; be specific. You guys no longer have the luxury of speaking in vague terms, if you try to take the moral high ground. Not today.

Since Frank disgustingly tried to lay the blame for El Paso at amarcis's feet, I'll say that if you want an idea of who is truly responsible for the El Paso shooting....then I'll just tell you to research the identity of the alleged shooter, research the alleged shooter's father, and then research the names and backgrounds of the men who were associates of the alleged shooter's father. Beyond that, I don't want to get into specifics. But the real point here is that:

Frank. Just. Keeps. Lying.

And Milo is barely even culturally relevant now. It's not 2017 any more. Now it's "current year". That's how fast modern cultural changes happen. And anyone who pays attention to current cultural and political trends....knows how deceptive, divisive, and monstrously corrupt both the mainstream media and modern western governments currently are. I don't consider "USA Today" to be a particularly reliable and objective source of information. And if the USA Today article is correct, in that Milo did indeed say:

Quote from: Milo Yiannopoulos"....the establishment panders to and mollycoddles extremist leftism and barbaric, alien religious cultures."

.....then my response is that he's absolutely correct. However, I'm not going to delve into a larger cultural and political discussion.....because this is supposed to be a site about tabletop rpgs, and not yet another politically radicalized neo-Marxist SJW battleground.

Your hero, Frank Trollman......has to put up or shut up. It's as simple as that. :cool:

Greetings!

Oh, yes. The snivelling, boot-licking Liberal toadies. Always seeking to hide behind word games and vague references.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;1110382Be precise; be specific. You guys no longer have the luxury of speaking in vague terms, if you try to take the moral high ground. Not today.

I do not owe you an answers or explanations; I do not owe you any more detail that I have provided.  I am not making a claim to the moral high ground.  

I'm not going to argue the definition of 'is' to satisfy whatever criteria you have decided is sufficient for my claims.  I'm not trying to convince you; I'm engaged in a discussion and the folks reading this are certainly capable of deciding if they have 'concerns' or not.  I'm not planning on sticking my head so far up your disinformation campaign that I understand what bizarre conspiracy theory you're alluding to and refuting.  

If you had spent any amount of time on the Gaming Den, you'd know that Frank and I disagree in a number of matters.  He is not 'my hero', but I think he's right more than he's wrong.  Even when he's wrong, he actually has interesting ideas about design goals that are worth considering.  We have butted heads on more than a few occasions, but I respect that he has carefully considered his position and looking at how he came to that conclusion is worthwhile.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1110400I do not owe you an answers or explanations; I do not owe you any more detail that I have provided.  I am not making a claim to the moral high ground.  

I'm not going to argue the definition of 'is' to satisfy whatever criteria you have decided is sufficient for my claims.  I'm not trying to convince you; I'm engaged in a discussion and the folks reading this are certainly capable of deciding if they have 'concerns' or not.  I'm not planning on sticking my head so far up your disinformation campaign that I understand what bizarre conspiracy theory you're alluding to and refuting.  

If you had spent any amount of time on the Gaming Den, you'd know that Frank and I disagree in a number of matters.  He is not 'my hero', but I think he's right more than he's wrong.  Even when he's wrong, he actually has interesting ideas about design goals that are worth considering.  We have butted heads on more than a few occasions, but I respect that he has carefully considered his position and looking at how he came to that conclusion is worthwhile.

Nothing interesting about accussing someone they dislike as a mass murderer.

Little bitch.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1110374Maybe not a great picture, and not the only one I've seen of him, but he's also not Quasimodo.  

I'm just as white as Trollman, and I don't hate 'the white race'.  I don't believe that race automatically makes me great, and more than being an American automatically makes me great.  I can talk about how America is a better country in ways X, Y, & Z than some other country, but it doesn't mean that we don't have absolute trash here.  There are plenty of Americans that I don't think reflect well on our country.

?That's a bit odd response, since I didn't imply that he's ugly, nor that all whites hate white people. But hating on one's own racial group is a very bizarre white phenomenon.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1110400I do not owe you an answers or explanations; I do not owe you any more detail that I have provided.  I am not making a claim to the moral high ground.  

I'm not going to argue the definition of 'is' to satisfy whatever criteria you have decided is sufficient for my claims.  I'm not trying to convince you; I'm engaged in a discussion and the folks reading this are certainly capable of deciding if they have 'concerns' or not.  I'm not planning on sticking my head so far up your disinformation campaign that I understand what bizarre conspiracy theory you're alluding to and refuting.  

If you had spent any amount of time on the Gaming Den, you'd know that Frank and I disagree in a number of matters.  He is not 'my hero', but I think he's right more than he's wrong.  Even when he's wrong, he actually has interesting ideas about design goals that are worth considering.  We have butted heads on more than a few occasions, but I respect that he has carefully considered his position and looking at how he came to that conclusion is worthwhile.

Well, your other Gaming Den pal, Lord Mistborn.....is switching tactics, and is now trying to blame the ChristChurch shooting in New Zealand on Milo Yiannopoulos.

Quote from: Lord MistbornNow normally I'm not one to do this... nah I'm totally the type to engage in a bit of unsportsmanlike gloating. Especially when the subject for it is the lowest and most loathsome example of human refuse. You see Lamb is complaining about us/seeking solace in the moist, blubbery, and foul-smelling embrace of theRPGsite's hugbox.

The way he's carrying on makes me pretty sure he's still reading this thread and quaking in important rage. Still I'll indulge your post-ban tantrum Sacrifical Lamb. I know that somewhere in your shriveled pestilent heart you crave my flowery textual abuse, you know that it's better than you deserve so enjoy another taste. So yeah let's not "ignore Lord Mistborn deliberately ignoring everything that Frank said." I did so much ignore Franks argument as state the version of it that would better appeal to a neutral, or skeptical observer, but for the record I stand by everything Frank has said.

His argument and mine are not complicated, by serving as C.E.O. of Milo Inc Alexander Macris served as a cog in the Alt-Right propaganda machine. Provocateurs like Yiannopoulos contribute to the radicalization of people like the the Christchurch Shooter who have killed hundreds. (Frank feel free to correct my if I am mischaracterizing you at any point). The thing is that Frank and to a lesser extent myself don't really care about your type, chuweros who eat a fuck shit. The good doctor is even less interested in lost causes like yourself than I am, and likely did not consider that a chuwero would be reading his post and would get butthurt enough to cause an incident. Everyone else in the thread understood the thrust of what Frank was about instantly. It was "the guy who makes ACKS is alt-right and a shitter don't give him money" for those of you from theRPGsite and dumb.

Now his particular phrasing had a nice side benefit, when you read it you completely lost your cool. Instead of "hiding your powerlevel"(as the sharper examples of your species would say) and us having to deal with page after page of your diarrhea you posted ban-worthy content in your fourth post in this thread. Given everything you posted before and after that was likely the best possible outcomes. You would never acknowledge the alt-right's fascist recruitment machine which you defend is what it is, it's not in your nature. If you understood that the shit you gleefully fuck, consume, and regurgitate upon any webfourm you do the disservice of joining was shit, then this conversation would not have happend in the first place. (and you would not be in the position you are fuming at your justly deserved ban for rascism.)

I'm banned there now, so I cannot respond to him directly. But let's take note that the ChristChurch shooting is sadly looking like yet another state sponsored MK ultra false flag event, using a mentally ill man as their weapon. Brenton Tarrant was supposed to be the shooter, but there were two other men apprehended, and we never hear about it. If I'm remembering correctly, Tarrant visited Israel. Well, if the ChristChurch shooter was a "white supremacist".....then why did he say nothing negative about Jews at all in his long manifesto? It makes no sense, right? It's a strange omission. I am ethnically Jewish, so I find this to be very confusing.

I think it's very likely that Israeli Mossad played a role in that ChristChurch incident. And yes, real people died. So why would this happen? If I were to guess, I'd say that the intent was probably to spread more fear and division, and create a political climate that makes it easier for authorities to casually engage in gun confiscation of ordinary citizens....all around the world. And these types of events are occurring more frequently lately.

But....who cares? As awful as that is, this should not have anything to do with tabletop roleplaying games, right? Only there's one little problem. The people at the Gaming Den keep bringing up mass shootings, over and over again.....trying to manipulate us into believing that Milo Yiannopoulos is personally responsible for other people's actions. Is it really that much of a stretch for a gay man to criticize Islam, due to not wanting to be thrown off a roof by Muslims?

If there's a mass shooting somewhere, Frank Trollman and Lord Mistborn expect us to believe that Milo Yiannopoulos is personally responsible for these deaths. They expect us to believe that if you work with Milo at all (like macris did).....then you also magically become personally responsible for these mass shootings.

How does that work? I have no fucking clue, since I see a Jewish homosexual (married to a black man) who is verbally dismantling bitter third wave feminist harpies, and voicing opposition to Islam, since Muslims have a long history of violence against homosexuals. And this has exactly what to do with (most likely) state sponsored mass shootings? Who knows? I certainly don't.

But this is the type of bullshit reasoning that both Frank and Mistborn are trying to use to justify accusing macris of money laundering, terrorism, and mass murder. Oh, and Mistborn is advocating that people pirate a tabletop roleplaying game from a small company. He's a real class act, right? :rolleyes:

Quote from: Lord MistbornAlso if you're going to raise a stink about Frank financially damaging Maris the least you can do is give me the credit due. I'm the one who recommended people pirate his game and I stand by that proudly.

I finally had the incentive I needed to buy a copy of ACKs and, given the speed of mail from the UK, should be the proud owner in approximately 3 to 4 weeks.

I mean with reviews this good, how could I not?

For those that might be curious:

https://github.com/capheind/ACKS_SRD

With all due respect to Deadmanwalking if your going to engage in cross forum drama expect to be called out on it. Your intent was to cause cross forum drama and you succeeded. Trying to play the fake concerned citizen at it hurting posters is bullshit. Grow a pair and accept the consequences of your actions. All your fake concern is hypocrisy at it's finest and transparent emotional deflection.

Quote from: sureshot;1110491With all due respect to Deadmanwalking if your going to engage in cross forum drama expect to be called out on it. Your intent was to cause cross forum drama and you succeeded. Trying to play the fake concerned citizen at it hurting posters is bullshit. Grow a pair and accept the consequences of your actions. All your fake concern is hypocrisy at it's finest and transparent emotional deflection.

I think these comments should be directed at the OP.  Also, my handle is deadDMwalking; I know there is a deadMANwalking on other forums - no relation.  There also hasn't been any cross-forum drama.  The folks at the Den have stayed on the Den.  The folks at RPGsite have stayed on the RPGsite.  People who are active on both have been active on both.  

When you quote someone in full and start a conversation about their statements, you should expect that the people who you're talking about will become aware of it.  Are you hiding something?  Did you want to talk about his statements behind his back without offering opportunity for clarification?  

I mean, pretty clearly some of the folks here did want that.  But that's not my bag, baby.

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;1110444But let's take note that the ChristChurch shooting is sadly looking like yet another state sponsored MK ultra false flag event, using a mentally ill man as their weapon.

You're wrong and you have no evidence to support this.  You are guilty of confirmation bias.  Any 'fact' that supports the narrative you want to tell is immediately latched on to and any 'fact' that either refutes or supports an alternate theory is immediately discarded.  It is common to say that someone who commits a mass shooting is 'mentally ill' because you have to be crazy to go on a killing rampage.   Welcome to tautology club.  Only mentally ill people commit mass shootings because you have to be mentally ill to commit a mass shooting.  If that's the case, why isn't a requirement to prove your mental competency before purchasing firearms good policy?  

Quote from: Sacrificial Lamb;1110444Well, if the ChristChurch shooter was a "white supremacist".....then why did he say nothing negative about Jews at all in his long manifesto?

If I identify as a white supremacist and I spend all my time talking about blacks and gays, you're saying I'm not a white supremacist?  I can't be one until I also talk about Jews?  That's pretty weird, especially if I live in a place where Judaism is not well represented.  In New Zealand, Muslims make up more than 1% of the population and it has been growing; Jews make up less than 1% of the population and in fact their representation is included in an 'other' category that includes a number of minor Asian religions.  I don't know if they make up 1/10 of 1% of 1/100 of 1%; but I certainly don't think 'not hating jews' or more specifically 'not actively advocating for the mass extermination of jews' is enough to clear you of charges of subscribing to a theory of racial superiority.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1110512Only mentally ill people commit mass shootings because you have to be mentally ill to commit a mass shooting.  If that's the case, why isn't a requirement to prove your mental competency before purchasing firearms good policy?  

Uhh...because you don't remove a person's natural rights until they have actually done something wrong?

Unless of course you believe that people should have to prove they aren't crazy before they can exercise their natural rights to life, liberty, ownership of property, speaking their mind, traveling freely, etc.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;1110512You're wrong and you have no evidence to support this.  You are guilty of confirmation bias.  Any 'fact' that supports the narrative you want to tell is immediately latched on to and any 'fact' that either refutes or supports an alternate theory is immediately discarded.

Coming from the undisputed king of confirmation bias, this is especially rich.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1110526Coming from the undisputed king of confirmation bias, this is especially rich.

Just curious.  Do you want to go on record supporting Sacrificial Lamb's contention that the Christchurch shooting was a false flag operation?  

From earlier this thread, Macris makes the case that you shouldn't support artists that you think are using the profits from their products in immoral ways.  I've always supported voting with your wallet on the issues that are important to you - I think that should be true in gaming, too.  As far as communicating to artists what those values are, that's important, too.  I don't think there's anyone that's so far gone they can't be redeemed - some will just have to do a lot more penance than others before their conversion will be accepted as genuinely true.