Is it bad that I want to hand the list out to players and then use the results to plan the next adventure?  You know, to kinda give it a personal touch.

I agree with Ratman that it is good to have some consideration for your players.  That doesn't require a 'list'. It just needs a simple session zero to cover that.  
These people really do not seem to function at even a basic 5-year-old level of social interaction.

How do they even survive walking outside everyday??

Quote from: Spinachcat;1104382To quote the esteemed sages of Steel Panther, "fuck those fucking fuck heads."

You used "esteemed sages" as a descriptor for Steel Panther and two thoughts immediately went through my mind...

1.  You are one mentally sick bastard.
2.  Can I recruit you for my home gaming group?

Quote from: tenbones;1104647"Adulting is hard" as my sarcastic daughter says... apparently this applies to a lot of millennial gamers, and middle-aged seat-sniffing creepers, and their fantasy "edgy" danger-haired masters.

tenbones raised sarcastic offspring...
I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.


...and welcome to Matty.

"Sarcastic" would be one of the minor descriptors under the Mild category.

Her knife-skills, however, are *excellent*.

Quote from: tenbones;1104848Her knife-skills, however, are *excellent*.

My wife's, on the other hand, are borderline disastrous. The number of finger scars she has is incredible.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1104875My wife's, on the other hand, are borderline disastrous. The number of finger scars she has is incredible.

Get her a practice butterfly knife on Amazon! That's how my daughter started. Now she can cut the head off a fly in mid-air.

Quote from: tenbones;1104879Get her a practice butterfly knife on Amazon! That's how my daughter started. Now she can cut the head off a fly in mid-air.

Hm, interesting, though I shudder to think of what she might do with her newfound knife skills when she gets angry at me...

Speaking of which, I'm going to run this "Consent in Gaming" product past her and see what she thinks of it, given that she plays RPGs too.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1104889Hm, interesting, though I shudder to think of what she might do with her newfound knife skills when she gets angry at me...

Speaking of which, I'm going to run this "Consent in Gaming" product past her and see what she thinks of it, given that she plays RPGs too.

Then do not give her the knife. LOL

I told my group before we started our last session Saturday, "Before we get started I'm going to hand out some Consent Forms we need to go over..." and everyone started immediately laughing.

Quote from: tenbones;1104892Then do not give her the knife. LOL

Probably the wiser choice.:eek:

Quote from: tenbones;1104892I told my group before we started our last session Saturday, "Before we get started I'm going to hand out some Consent Forms we need to go over..." and everyone started immediately laughing.

LOL this is pretty much the reaction I would expect from any of my groups, too. Though I can think of at least one player I used to have who probably would have drooled over the notion. Her mental stability was about what you would imagine, and she was well known in that circle for her not-infrequent outbursts over extremely minor perceived transgressions.

From our favorite rpg message board.

QuoteAs I was discussing topics such as player comfort with sexual content and violence I mentioned Consent in Gaming. Nobody bat an eye except the new guy, who cringed/grimaced/frowned at this. Thankfully there were no protests or anything like that, but I wonder if his reaction was telling about what to expect from him.

I'll definitely be keeping an eye open.

Lovely. I know if I was playing with a new group, I'd love to have the DM "keeping an eye on me" for wrongthink.

Isn't it funny they have both lanes covered? One on hand, in order to GM - you have to cover your bases on what they consent to you magically exposing to them, and on the other hand they get an X-Card to veto anything they didn't already cover in the first mental interrogation.

Yeah... sounds like a lovely way to meet people and play elf-games.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1104903Lovely. I know if I was playing with a new group, I'd love to have the DM "keeping an eye on me" for wrongthink.

  Well, if you're not on board with in every jot and tittle, aren't you by definition a 'toxic gamer' who ought to be excluded from the hobby?

  (They've been creeping up to that door for a while now. Watch, by this time next year it will be 'anyone who isn't fervently on-board the Anti-Trump Campaign must be shunned!')

Quote from: tenbones;1104892Then do not give her the knife. LOL

I told my group before we started our last session Saturday, "Before we get started I'm going to hand out some Consent Forms we need to go over..." and everyone started immediately laughing.

I might try that when running a game of Toon.  Just to see what kind of reaction I get.

I told my crew about this nonsense and they called me out for making it up! Not Monte Cook!! No fucking way! I sent them to the interwebs and after a few minutes of muttered "holy fucks" and "these bitches are insane!", I slapped them until I got my apology. I'm the only one who spends time on game forums anymore and even our most liberal player was shaking his head in disbelief.

My girlfriend asked if I thought I'd have a hobby left in the next decade. I'm sure I will because even our "Warren 2020" clown loves how our game table is "safe space" from the doubleplusgoodthink bullshit of the outer world.

As always, I thank the gods for deplorable scum, toxic men and ladies who love us!!!

The hobby will never go away.

I have dice, and pencil. The hobby may implode from it's current scale and go back into the darker recesses of the culture... which I'm fine with. The hobby will live on regardless.

The funny thing about all the "wrongthink/speech" is that people who invariably engage in that will ultimately end up in the same place gaming at that same level. They're putting a crappy ideology in front of the act of the game itself. Forcing your game to conform to such extraneous things makes the game lower-quality by simply restricting engagement.

I have no doubt the quality of those games under those conditions are laughable by my standards. Unnecessarily so. That's the crazy part. Why place unnecessary restrictions on the potential quality of your games by catering to the lowest quality standard of players that are making their personal issues YOUR issues?

Go find quality players. Not players that have other agendas than the game at hand.

It's not just about finding quality players. It's a culture that promotes a lack of responsibility and not being held accountable for anything and everything. With some gamers flipping out at the most insignificant things. If an imaginary book being burnt can throw off  a person for a few days and were are not allowed to say anything against it. Pretty soon it will be racist not to want to be near a person with a raging gastro. As they might be offended that I refuse to get infected by their gastro.

Quote from: sureshot;1105092It's not just about finding quality players. It's a culture that promotes a lack of responsibility and not being held accountable for anything and everything. With some gamers flipping out at the most insignificant things. If an imaginary book being burnt can throw off  a person for a few days and were are not allowed to say anything against it. Pretty soon it will be racist not to want to be near a person with a raging gastro. As they might be offended that I refuse to get infected by their gastro.

For sure. You have to cultivate your group. I'm not saying don't play with "those people" (SJW's, ideologues, zealots whatever) - that's on you on a case-by-case basis.

I've taken in people that are fence-sitting SJW's that still really want to play in my games (though they struggle). And I've had SJW's in my games drop due to stress.

The REAL question is how much energy do we want to devote to dealing with it?

Edit: Meaning - I don't wanna leave anyone out that I think, despite their dumb beliefs, could be/is a good player. But you know... depends on your depth of patience.