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Just How Dead, is D & D 4th Edition?

Started by Razor 007, September 03, 2019, 11:52:35 PM

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thedungeondelver

#75
September 08, 2019, 01:50:55 PM
Oh God Dammit.  That'll teach me to shitpost without reading through the thread first.
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TJS

#76
September 08, 2019, 06:34:09 PM
I don't think I could face 4e without the character builder

Chris24601

#77
September 08, 2019, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: TJS;1103051I don't think I could face 4e without the character builder
Which is yet another reason I've been writing my 4E spiritual successor; everything the players will ever need in one book (a Player's Guide with no later player splats to keep the cost of buy-in as low as possible; the GM's Guide completes the core rules and any other add-ons will be setting books and adventures using the core rules).

jeff37923

#78
September 08, 2019, 08:26:20 PM
Quote from: thedungeondelver;1103039Oh God Dammit.  That'll teach me to shitpost without reading through the thread first.

Why do I feel suddenly like I've leveled up........
"Meh."

TJS

#79
September 08, 2019, 08:44:54 PM
I'm tempted, perhaps out of perversity, to make a kind of OSR 4E hack.

Basically I would take the basic combat engine of 4E and strip back all of the classes.  Remove the powers entirely.

Everything that you can do in 4E would still be on the table - pushes, slides, pulls, dazes, blinding etc, but it would be entirely the province of stunts.

Perhaps use something like DCC's deed dice as a mechanism to enable this.

So, pretty much remove the character generation minigame - keep the part that is actually fun - the combat engine - and expand on it by making everything a creative response to circumstance.

Spinachcat

#80
September 09, 2019, 12:59:21 AM
Quote from: Omega;1102693Same with Gamma World. You have one designer wanting to do slapstick comedy. One wanting to do an actual Gamma World setting, and one wanting to do deformed circus freak horrors. This is how you end up with a patchwork of a game that may end up conflicting with itself. This crazyquilt approach to game design seemed to be a design mandate.

This is unfortunately true. I took a hammer to GW and it works for me because I torched the slapstick. The "circus freak" aspect of chargen isn't bad IF the GM puts limits and discusses the tone he wants for the campaign. That's the double edged sword of allowing players to define powers and items without limits - it encourages lots of creativity, but the gonzo can become a joke setting quickly.

It's one of the reasons I'm re-imagining GW for fantasy.

Razor 007

#81
September 09, 2019, 03:58:14 AM
Quote from: TJS;1103069I'm tempted, perhaps out of perversity, to make a kind of OSR 4E hack.

Basically I would take the basic combat engine of 4E and strip back all of the classes.  Remove the powers entirely.

Everything that you can do in 4E would still be on the table - pushes, slides, pulls, dazes, blinding etc, but it would be entirely the province of stunts.

Perhaps use something like DCC's deed dice as a mechanism to enable this.

So, pretty much remove the character generation minigame - keep the part that is actually fun - the combat engine - and expand on it by making everything a creative response to circumstance.


OK, that sounds interesting.
I need you to roll a perception check.....

Valatar

#82
September 09, 2019, 11:16:44 AM
I ran a years-long 4e campaign that wrapped up a few months ago, and legitimately quite like it.  But I'm a fan of turn-based strategy games, which is basically what its combat system is.

Haffrung

#83
September 09, 2019, 01:01:22 PM
Quote from: TJS;1103051I don't think I could face 4e without the character builder

That's probably my biggest barrier to starting a 4e campaign in the future.
 

Doom

#84
September 09, 2019, 06:33:26 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;1103130That's probably my biggest barrier to starting a 4e campaign in the future.

That's what finally sank 4e for me, you needed software to play the damn tabletop game.
(taken during hurricane winds)

A nice education blog.

Philotomy Jurament

#85
September 09, 2019, 06:57:08 PM
Didn't some of the promotional videos for 4e even show an open laptop on the gaming table? I suspect WotC had computer gaming and computer-assisted tabletop gaming in their "4e system" plans.
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Rhedyn

#86
September 09, 2019, 06:57:16 PM
Or you could just make a character out of the PH? That's what I do.

RandyB

#87
September 09, 2019, 07:18:01 PM
Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;1103178Didn't some of the promotional videos for 4e even show an open laptop on the gaming table? I suspect WotC had computer gaming and computer-assisted tabletop gaming in their "4e system" plans.

They did. Only the sole developer died suddenly before the software was finished, and they had to release the game without the software.

Robyo

#88
September 09, 2019, 11:24:02 PM
The hyperbole grows long in this thread.

Yeah, I just make a 4e character with some books and a pencil and char sheet. Go figure!

Razor 007

#89
September 09, 2019, 11:32:00 PM
Quote from: Rhedyn;1103179Or you could just make a character out of the PH? That's what I do.


Shhhh....... Stop confusing people with logical suggestions.  Just building a character, or even an entire adventuring party out of the PHB; wouldn't allow for peak optimization across the entire edition.  

Oh wait, 4E was balanced and wasn't supposed to have any poor options; so I guess you would be just fine building characters out of the PHB?
I need you to roll a perception check.....
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